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  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did the people at the Columbine school willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    Did the people at Virginia Teach willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    Did the people of the Oklahoma City bombing die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    Did those who died in the Twin Towers on 911 die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves. They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    The 'moronic' thing - to use your own characterization - seems to be your denial in the face of so much overwhelming evidence.
    those students for the most part were not heroes. Innocent victims. Now if someone tried to prevent the killers from killing others then yes-like the teacher at VTech who died trying to prevent the murderer from getting into a room with students. Maybe the girl at columbine who said something along the line that she would pray for the scumbag killers

    and your pathetic attempts to claim your desire is equivalent to the memorials to victims are patently dishonest

    If you claimed you want a memorial to murdered students fine. however linking their deaths to the second amendment is idiotic

    its the same thing as saying the 9-11 victims are HEROES OF OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM or Islam because Muslims are allowed freedoms in this nation. Obviously such a statement would quickly be seen as seething bigotry against Islam

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum?

    You really don't want to get into this and it has no relevance. You do that all the time when you appeal to the masses to support your tax the rich more nonsense

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There you go again, missapplyiing what those amendments and acts meant. Did you forget the lesson from earlier? They are the textbook definition of militias, they are legally militias. You are wrong.

    you are talking about "militias", as in private armies.

    I am talking about "MILITIA"...as in the ones prescribed in our Constitution.

    please, show me how private armies, that are not sworn to uphold the Constitution of the USA, and are not willing & able to be trained, supervised, disciplined by a State selected Officer....and are not willing & able to be activated by the government to defend the country from outside enemies and put down insurrections, is legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those students for the most part were not heroes.
    the nation said otherwise.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the nation said otherwise.
    Uh really? I call bs on that

    even if lots of people have no idea what "hero" means

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You really don't want to get into this and it has no relevance. You do that all the time when you appeal to the masses to support your tax the rich more nonsense
    And why not? You keep insisting that some here agree with you - as if it makes the slightest bit of difference.

    In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum? I remember you stated that you were NOT a member of the college debate team so perhaps this important area of instructing you in the common fallacies of debate was neglected.

    Did you learn it. And if so, why do you engage in it?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And why not? You keep insisting that some here agree with you - as if it makes the slightest bit of difference.

    In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum? I remember you stated that you were NOT a member of the college debate team so perhaps this important area of instructing you in the common fallacies of debate was neglected.

    Did you learn it. And if so, why do you engage in it?

    I don't think this is the place to compare our respective college resumes. You know the place we can do that if you wish.

    I was part of the team for the Yale Political Union that won every debate on campus that year including a complete destruction of the so called "varsity debating team". The topic was the second amendment BTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh really? I call bs on that

    even if lots of people have no idea what "hero" means
    It matters not what you call and what you do not. Visit the memorials and see for yourself. Or is your opinion more important than those who built those monuments and memorials and called them heroes?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think this is the place to compare our respective college resumes. You know the place we can do that if you wish.

    I was part of the team for the Yale Political Union that won every debate on campus that year including a complete destruction of the so called "varsity debating team". The topic was the second amendment BTW
    Sure it is. The proof of that is in the evidence you yourself give in your own posts. Did you learn what the fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum is and if so why do you engage in it knowing it is bogus?

    I am sure intramural activities have a certain level of enjoyment for the participants.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It matters not what you call and what you do not. Visit the memorials and see for yourself. Or is your opinion more important than those who built those monuments and memorials and called them heroes?
    lets get back to the idiocy of calling victims of criminals heroes of the SECOND AMENDMENT

    were the victims of 9-11 heroes of TOLERANCE OF ISLAM

    Columbine-HEROES OF GOTH?

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