View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1- I never did that.
    2- I never said that. Where are you getting this from. Quote me please.
    3- If there were no cars, would there be less traffic deaths?

    Again, you as a self proclaimed "pure good" advocate are impotent to discuss this subject with any intellectual objectivity. If you cannot see that something on balance can come out on the positive side but still have problems and negatives, that is something that is beyond debate with a person who holds such extremist views.

    I am not stupid enough to quote something that has been flushed so you can whine about me violating "the Las Vegas Rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and that opinion is why I call you anti second amendment

    Its akin to someone saying "Jews are all money grubbing Scrooges" and then denying that one is anti semitic.

    and slain innocents are not "heroes" of the second amendment



    they are VICTIMS of CRIME
    No this is this - this is not something else. My opinion on honoring the dead with a memorial in no way shape or form fundamentally or materially changes the rights of one gun owner. And even you know that.

    So please quote me where I wanted or advocated taking away Second Amendment rights. So far you have been impotent to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not stupid enough to quote something that has been flushed so you can whine about me violating "the Las Vegas Rule
    So why did you dishonestly bring it up knowing that you can lie about it and then hide behind your rule?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No this is this - this is not something else. My opinion on honoring the dead with a memorial in no way shape or form fundamentally or materially changes the rights of one gun owner. And even you know that.

    So please quote me where I wanted or advocated taking away Second Amendment rights. So far you have been impotent to do so.
    Are you serious? Its obvious to everyone (including you) that you think these people are heroes rather than the proper term VICTIMS-because they died so we could have our rights. that is idiotic

    what makes them heroes? did they willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves?

    Its as moronic as claiming some kid who got squashed in a crossing walk by a drunk driver is a HERO of the repeal of prohibition

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So why did you dishonestly bring it up knowing that you can lie about it and then hide behind your rule?

    anyone think I am lying? we all know what everyone said

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They meet regularly, train in tactics, organize, oh and have you forgotten about the weapons they brandished at the polling place in '08? They are a militia....
    not according to the Constitution of the USA, and the Militia Act of 1792, they ain't.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ....Heck, even thunder napalmed that nonsense
    integrity demanded it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Are you serious? Its obvious to everyone (including you) that you think these people are heroes rather than the proper term VICTIMS-because they died so we could have our rights. that is idiotic

    what makes them heroes? did they willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves?

    Its as moronic as claiming some kid who got squashed in a crossing walk by a drunk driver is a HERO of the repeal of prohibition
    Did the people at the Columbine school willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    Did the people at Virginia Teach willingly die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    Did the people of the Oklahoma City bombing die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves? They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    Did those who died in the Twin Towers on 911 die for something valuable? Did they willingly sacrifice themselves. They were honored with a memorial as heroes.

    The 'moronic' thing - to use your own characterization - seems to be your denial in the face of so much overwhelming evidence.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    not according to the Constitution of the USA, and the Militia Act of 1792, they ain't.
    There you go again, missapplyiing what those amendments and acts meant. Did you forget the lesson from earlier? They are the textbook definition of militias, they are legally militias. You are wrong.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anyone think I am lying? we all know what everyone said
    In college did they teach you about the debate fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum?
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