View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's hyperbole to call "searching every car that comes from X states" by it's proper term, tyranny?


    Are you really so terrified of guns that you'd want to search every vehicle from SC VA etc on that basis? I hate to break it to you but most criminals in your AO that want guns have them already....
    that's false. the vast-majority of traced guns used in crimes in NYC, came from OUT of state.

    and no, I have no fear of guns. save your silly attacks.

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    Re: Guns

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    Guns Okay, we need to bring this down a notch... yeah I'm including myself in that call....

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    personal attacks make your argument.....useless bull****.
    That was not a personal attack. It was an attempt at levity.

    But you still cannot defend your absurd claim that you would enact this legislation if elected Gov.
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    Re: Guns

    Background checks, required gun safety course, permits for concealed carry specific to each state. Expand castle law to private businesses and vehicles. Don't f with people's s.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, what you're saying is, gun-control laws don't effect crime rates one way or the other?


    There is no evidence that gun control reduces crime.

    There is evidence that concealed carry reduces crime, though it has been disputed and is not considered conclusive, due to the complex and multi-factored nature of crime rates.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, what you're saying is, gun-control laws don't effect crime rates one way or the other?
    Can you show anything that shows that gun control laws DO effect the crime rate?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Can you show anything that shows that gun control laws DO effect the crime rate?
    the various crime rates of cities with loose gun-control laws, compared to NYC..which has tight gun control laws.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the various crime rates of cities with loose gun-control laws, compared to NYC..which has tight gun control laws.
    NYC current murder rate is low, granted.... but let's compare some low-gun-control cities with some OTHER high-gun-control cities....

    Charlotte NC murder rate 7.6
    Austin TX 4.8
    Dallas TX 11.3
    Atlanta GA 15.3

    .....

    Detroit 15.2
    Buffalo NY 20.7
    DC 21.9
    Detroit 31.5
    Newark NJ 32.1

    United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Gun control =/= crime control.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the various crime rates of cities with loose gun-control laws, compared to NYC..which has tight gun control laws.
    I counter that is a fallacy of logic. Crying babies do not cause spoiled milk. You have to get a bigger picture than that. As mentioned above... Chicago and DC also have very strict laws and their crime rates are very high.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    NYC current murder rate is low, granted.... but let's compare some low-gun-control cities with some OTHER high-gun-control cities....

    Charlotte NC murder rate 7.6
    Austin TX 4.8
    Dallas TX 11.3
    Atlanta GA 15.3

    .....

    Detroit 15.2
    Buffalo NY 20.7
    DC 21.9
    Detroit 31.5
    Newark NJ 32.1...
    Detroit & Buffalo have been decimated by the shipping of manufacturing jobs overseas, with NOTHING to replace those jobs.

    D.C. has almost ZERO income tax-base. Newark? hell they don't even have a damn Barnes & Nobles.

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