View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
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    See this is where we run into trouble. I consider the NYC/DC/Chicago/Massachutsetts/etc model of gun control totally unacceptible.....
    I am also not in favor of all of NYC's gun laws, including the very high cost of obtaining a rifle/shotgun permit. There is no reason why a permit should cost more than many of the guns one would purchase with the permit..other than to attempt to arbitrarily limit gun ownership. NYC will not become significantly unsafer....if more folks own a rifle or shotgun.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I am also not in favor of all of NYC's gun laws, including the very high cost of obtaining a rifle/shotgun permit. There is no reason why a permit should cost more than many of the guns one would purchase with the permit..other than to attempt to arbitrarily limit gun ownership. NYC will not become significantly unsafer....if more folks own a rifle or shotgun.

    I'm not in favor of having to get a permit to buy a gun period, let alone pay money for it. NICs covers all that.


    NYC will be safer when they allow honest citizens to carry handguns for their own defense.


    Atlanta does it. Miami does it. Orlando. Houston. Dallas. Charlotte. Memphis. Birmingham. Lots of big cities.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ...Atlanta does it. Miami does it. Orlando. Houston. Dallas. Charlotte. Memphis. Birmingham. Lots of big cities.
    yes, and several of these big cities have MUCH higher murder and crime rates, than NYC.

    FYI..comparing Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Memphis..to NYC as far as crime is concerned, is VERY self-defeating.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._by_crime_rate
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, and several of these big cities have MUCH higher murder and crime rates, than NYC.

    FYI..comparing Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Memphis..to NYC as far as crime is concerned, is VERY self-defeating.

    Fine.... let's compare them to DC, Chicago and Detroit then.


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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, and several of these big cities have MUCH higher murder and crime rates, than NYC.

    FYI..comparing Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Memphis..to NYC as far as crime is concerned, is VERY self-defeating.

    United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    guns don't = crime

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    Re: Guns

    Are you seeing my point? You want uniformity of firearm laws.


    YOU don't want ME to impose SC gun laws on your territory...

    I don't want YOU to impose NYC, DC, Chicago gun laws on mine.


    It's called Federalism. Vote with your feet what laws you want to live under.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Fine.... let's compare them to DC, Chicago and Detroit then.


    let's stay focused on NYC.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ....It's called Federalism. Vote with your feet what laws you want to live under.
    such a strategy appears to only work, if we have armed border police, searching all migrants, along our state borders.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    guns don't = crime


    Correct. Looking at the worldwide stage, where there are many nations FAR worse than the US ever dreamed of being in terms of violence and crime, the chief driving elements appear to be:


    1. Poverty and unemployment
    2. Corrupt or ineffective government/law
    3. Factionalism, tribalism or gangs or drug cartels.


    Guns are not a major factor in crime levels.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    such a strategy appears to only work, if we have armed border police, searching all migrants, along our state borders.

    If that's what you want to do in your state, go ahead.

    Kiss tourism goodbye, of course...

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