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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%

  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%

  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%
  • Total voters
    85
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Captain America said:
If I think I understand what you are getting at, I think I might have already addressed it post #810.

I wrote:
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And I agree with that Captain. I agree with that.

And I have repeatedly said that on balance the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms has more positives than it does negatives. All I want from reasonable people is acceptance that yes Virginia, there are negatives and the Second Amendment is not a pure good.

Is that too much to ask?
 
haymarket said:
thank you.

And if there was but one gun in America. How hard would it be to keep track of that one single gun and make sure it was not involved in a crime?

What about just one gun in each state where we knew where it was? How hard would that be to keep track of and make sure it was not used illegally?

Now where is the tipping point gentlemen? Where is the tipping point where we go from being able to control this and where we have significant amounts of collateral damage like we did with Columbine, with Virginia Tech with Ohio and with too many other places to list?

Where is the tipping point gentlemen?
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I'm with ya bro. As much as I love shooting whitetail and clay pideons, I would gladly sacrifice my enjoyment if it meant that there woule never be another life taken with a gun.

But, sad to say, that's just not the reality of the situation.

I think, if you understand THAT, we are both pretty much in agreement here.
 
haymarket said:
And I agree with that Captain. I agree with that.

And I have repeatedly said that on balance the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms has more positives than it does negatives. All I want from reasonable people is acceptance that yes Virginia, there are negatives and the Second Amendment is not a pure good.

Is that too much to ask?
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denied, the second amendment has nothing to do with VT since his possession of those weapons was illegal the second he bought them
 
Captain America said:
I'm with ya bro. As much as I love shooting whitetail and clay pideons, I would gladly sacrifice my enjoyment if it meant that there woule never be another life taken with a gun.

But, sad to say, that's just not the reality of the situation.

I think, if you understand THAT, we are both pretty much in agreement here.
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Most excellent.
 
haymarket said:
And I agree with that Captain. I agree with that.

And I have repeatedly said that on balance the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms has more positives than it does negatives. All I want from reasonable people is acceptance that yes Virginia, there are negatives and the Second Amendment is not a pure good.

Is that too much to ask?
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Oh, I couldn't agree more. There are negatives of freedom of speech (ie: Limbaugh, etc..) There are negatives to freedom of religion (ie: Westboro Baptist, Radical Islam, Christian Science, etc.)

The way of the world bro. Way of the world.
 
TurtleDude said:
denied, the second amendment has nothing to do with VT since his possession of those weapons was illegal the second he bought them
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which is irrelevant and others can see this. You are not rational on this as you already stated you are GOD in this area and you can only see a pure good. Why should any other person on the planet dare say a word to you about it then given your two statements placing you above reality?
 
Captain America said:
Oh, I couldn't agree more. There are negatives of freedom of speech (ie: Limbaugh, etc..) There are negatives to freedom of religion (ie: Westboro Baptist, Radical Islam, Christian Science, etc.)

The way of the world bro. Way of the world.
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100% agreed. that indeed is reality and the way of the world.
 
TurtleDude said:
denied, the second amendment has nothing to do with VT since his possession of those weapons was illegal the second he bought them
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all gun-dealers should have a sign saying: "It is illegal to use a gun in a crime. So if you plan on committing a crime, don't buy my guns. Otherwise..welcome and open your wallets!!!!"
 
Haymarket, I love your heart. But we gotta work on your brain brother. (j/k :mrgreen::mrgreen:)

Let's get together someday and let me show you how to shoot.
 
haymarket said:
which is irrelevant and others can see this. You are not rational on this as you already stated you are GOD in this area and you can only see a pure good. Why should any other person on the planet dare say a word to you about it then given your two statements placing you above reality?
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when you started on the IF THERE WERE NO GUNS fantasy psychobabbling you completely proved you are clueless on this subject
 
Thunder said:
all gun-dealers should have a sign saying: "It is illegal to use a gun in a crime. So if you plan on committing a crime, don't buy my guns. Otherwise..welcome and open your wallets!!!!"
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that's pretty stupid thunder.
 
TurtleDude said:
when you started on the IF THERE WERE NO GUNS fantasy psychobabbling you completely proved you are clueless on this subject
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hey, if you can talk about guns being used to fight fascism & tyranny in the USA, Haymarket can hypothesize about a USA free of guns.
 
You know, as much as I dispise rightwing whackos, it's times like these that make me want to change my "lean." :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
BS, they have tons of handguns Hammerli and SIG are Swiss companies that sell lots of handguns to Swiss citizens
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The Swiss are required to keep military issue firearms in their relative possession, meaning they must have an AR and sidearm at least stored in their homes and they have a compulsory service law.
 
Captain America said:
Haymarket, I love your heart. But we gotta work on your brain brother. (j/k :mrgreen::mrgreen:)

Let's get together someday and let me show you how to shoot.
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sure thing. :2wave:

skills are good to have.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's pretty stupid thunder.
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I know, and so is discussing that a gun becomes illegal as soon as you intend on using it for a crime.

such intention ain't gonna stop you from buying it..or stop the dealer from selling it.

or do you think criminals will announce their criminal intentions to the seller?

"um, sir..which gun do you recommend for robbing a bank...or shooting up an abortion clinic?"
 
Thunder said:
hey, if you can talk about guns being used to fight fascism & tyranny in the USA, Haymarket can hypothesize about a USA free of guns.
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Good point brother. But I am not too concerned with facists and tyrants. I'm more worried about crackheads and burglars. PLUS, you never know when the Tea Partiers might take to arms. If they do, you guys can come hide behind me. I got your back.
 
TurtleDude said:
when you started on the IF THERE WERE NO GUNS fantasy psychobabbling you completely proved you are clueless on this subject
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You need to keep up. others have seen the point. You never will because you already proclaimed your own infallibility and god like powers on this subject.
 
Thunder said:
hey, if you can talk about guns being used to fight fascism & tyranny in the USA, Haymarket can hypothesize about a USA free of guns.
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the difference is my discussion has a basis in fact and history while his is fantasy psychobabble
 
Captain America said:
Good point brother. But I am not too concerned with facists and tyrants. I'm more worried about crackheads and burglars. PLUS, you never know when the Tea Partiers might take to arms. If they do, you guys can come hide behind me. I got your back.
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the day the TP Party starts getting violent with firearms, is the day I get that firearms permit and buy me a semi-auto rifle.
 
And Haymarket DOES NOT WANT a USA with no guns. I think they do more good than harm. So lets dispense with that misbelief please.
 
haymarket said:
You need to keep up. others have seen the point. You never will because you already proclaimed your own infallibility and god like powers on this subject.
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HOnestly Haymarket, just about every poster on this thread is a god on this subject compared to the nonsense you are spewing

Your big mistake was pretending you are pro second amendment after starting at least two threads trying to make gun owners feel responsible for children killed by murderers
 
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