View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how am I wrong?
    You are quoting the militia as a state sponsored organization. The militia is defined as those able to be called up during a time of unrest. This means that all able bodied males 18-45 are subject to either deputization or draft under martial law for domestic turmoil OR need during a time of war. The National guard is a state militia which is entered into voluntarily, they are under the army thus fall under the U.S.M.C.J. and may be called up by the national army during a time of war. Private militias drill on their own and may be called up, but not because they identify as such but because they are part of the able bodied males 18-45 that are specifically cited under the U.S.C.

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    Re: Guns

    I don't really have a problem with non-violent, non-crazy adults owning guns. Obviously you need a background check to confirm that they aren't violent and/or crazy. As far as actually CARRYING the weapons...meh. Again, I don't really have a problem with it if the person can prove that they're responsible. I would probably suggest a lengthier background check for this, since a person can be non-violent and non-crazy but still be a complete dip****. To carry a weapon, I'd suggest something akin to a driver's test...if someone can show that they know the basics of firearm safety (and they can pass the background check to get the weapon in the first place), they can carry it if they want.

    That would seem like the most sensible solution to me. I have no interest in taking guns away from people who haven't done anything wrong and just want them for protection and/or sport. But background checks are necessary to make sure that the crazies can't easily get them.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You are quoting the militia as a state sponsored organization. The militia is defined as those able to be called up during a time of unrest. This means that all able bodied males 18-45 are subject to either deputization or draft under martial law for domestic turmoil OR need during a time of war. The National guard is a state militia which is entered into voluntarily, they are under the army thus fall under the U.S.M.C.J. and may be called up by the national army during a time of war. Private militias drill on their own and may be called up, but not because they identify as such but because they are part of the able bodied males 18-45 that are specifically cited under the U.S.C.

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    The Constitution of the USA, the Militia Act of 1792, and the 2nd Amendment, do NOT mention anything known as a "private Militia", ever. All they talk about, is the government organized/trained/supervised Militia.

    as far as I am concerned, these private armies, that you call Militias, are illegal.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Constitution of the USA, the Militia Act of 1792, and the 2nd Amendment, do NOT mention anything known as a "private Militia", ever. All they talk about, is the government organized/trained/supervised Militia.

    as far as I am concerned, these private armies, that you call Militias, are illegal.

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    Well, you have every right to be wrong. The reason they are private militias is because they are not affiliated with the state militia or military but they train on a regular basis, they are protected as long as they do not break federal or state laws meaning if they use automatics or explosives they are licensed. They may be called up if they are 18-45 and whether you believe they are illegal or not does not make one bit of difference. You make the mistake of thinking that because they aren't mentioned in the constitution then they are not protected, which is a major fail on your part. The consititution does mention every able bodied male 18-45 being IN THE MILITIA, so all who apply to that standard in the private militia are in fact part of the general one.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    ...They may be called up if they are 18-45 and whether you believe they are illegal or not does not make one bit of difference.....
    these private armies, made up of mostly right-wing crazies, bigots, and extremists, will NEVER be called to do anything for the govt. other than to clean toilets.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    these private armies, made up of mostly right-wing crazies, bigots, and extremists, will NEVER be called to do anything for the govt. other than to clean toilets.
    You have no clue what comprises them or how many there are. Glad to see all you have is out of context quotations, bigotry, emotionalizing, and demonizing left.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    meanwhile, the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, and the Militia Act of 1792 make it very clear that The Militia was a government regulated, disciplined, instructed, and organized group.
    not at all. the Constitution (which includes the 2nd Amendment) makes no organizational notes whatsoever. the Militia Act merely provides for one. Here is some of the relevant language:

    ...Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes...
    You'll note they were self-organizing, and locally organized and maintained.

    The Founders were pretty clear that the armed citizenry A) were all potential members of the militia and B) intended as a defense against an over powerful government.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    these private armies, made up of mostly right-wing crazies, bigots, and extremists, will NEVER be called to do anything for the govt. other than to clean toilets.
    ...except, that, of course, they have been. How did you think the armies of the Civil War (for example) were created? Mostly it was just federalized militia units.

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    Re: Guns

    Don't forget what kicked the Founders into the Revolutionary War, after all. The British Army moved to seize privately held stores of Cannon.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I give you a study that actually quantifies. You explain that as an engineer you don't like stuff that isn't quantifiable, which you seem to suggest includes said study. Then you argue from a non-quantifiable stance....

    you were lucky, frankly, that the guy was not actually willing to kill you. had he been so, then you not being armed would have meant that the police would have arrived far too late for you or (had they been there) potentially your family.
    I was not expecting a pistol to show up pointed at me from 5 feet. I was not expecting him to be armed. I was in a weak position unless I had a pistol pointed at him first. To do so I would have had to have a valid reason. I didn't. I could have been the one going to jail. I don't think he was actually willing to kill me and his behavior was bearing that out. That put him a great risk, but the police arrived in time.

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