View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is talk like that which poisons any true discussion and keeps decent and moderate people away from the extremists who tend to dominate those type of discussions with their all or nothing black or white view of the issue. People quickly learn that arguing with a religious zealot is a dead end street that is very unrewarding.

    the religious zealots are the idiots who engage in a faith based idiocy that those who disobey laws against robbery or murder are somehow going to obey gun laws

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I looked at the sites you listed (one wouldn't come up). Sorry, I'm an engineer so I have a hard time with stuff that is not quantitative. In my one experience with having someone point a loaded gun at me after I caught him doing a property crime to our home, my having a gun would have resulted in a very unfortunate outcome. I probably would have ended up in jail for a long time. I had to talk to him (I was actually looking for an opportunity to kill him with his own gun.) This gave the police time to arrive and catch him pointing the gun at me. There were no police, then, in an instant, he had 3 of them pointing their pistols at him in a very coordinated response to a phone call. He went to jail. I actually met him about 2 years later at the counter of an auto parts store a few years later. He was very contrite.
    I give you a study that actually quantifies. You explain that as an engineer you don't like stuff that isn't quantifiable, which you seem to suggest includes said study. Then you argue from a non-quantifiable stance....

    you were lucky, frankly, that the guy was not actually willing to kill you. had he been so, then you not being armed would have meant that the police would have arrived far too late for you or (had they been there) potentially your family.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I haven't read past the first page and I'm sure this has boiled down to "guns bad", "no, guns good" arguments... but I'm going to give my opinion anyway, because I'm pushy like that.

    I went for the full background check with a waiting period to be sure the person is eligible, then let everyone except felons and mentally ill purchase and carry. I'll go further. I think once a person has legally purchased a weapon, I believe they should be able to carry it either open or concealed without additional permit.

    However... and it's a big one to a lot of gun owners... I want the loophole in gun show sales closed. Gun show sales should be subject to the same background check and waiting period as guns purchased in a shop. Individual sales of guns... one person to another... should be illegal. Instead, both people should be required to do the sale through a licensed gun dealer to assure a proper background check and make certain the seller is the registered owner of the gun.
    hm - would you accept a vetting service? "hey mr i want to buy your gun" "okedoke, bring me a notarized form that you've been vetted from a licensed vetter no more than 72 hours old and I'll sell it to you."

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    There was a federally regulated militia (the one of which you speak), state regulated miltias and citizen regulated militias (like the ones we have around today).
    the 2nd Amendment, the Constitution, and the various Militia Acts, discuss the only legal Militia that has ever existed in the USA. The "citizen Militias" are nothing more than a bunch of paranoid nuts petting their long, hard weapons.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I give you a study that actually quantifies. You explain that as an engineer you don't like stuff that isn't quantifiable, which you seem to suggest includes said study. Then you argue from a non-quantifiable stance....

    you were lucky, frankly, that the guy was not actually willing to kill you. had he been so, then you not being armed would have meant that the police would have arrived far too late for you or (had they been there) potentially your family.
    I have told people before because of the way I was trained I don't pull if I'm not ready to use, once you see my hand motion it's too late, I've made my decision.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Guns

    so, based on the poll, the majority of folks believe that background checks and other requirements, should be the law.

    this is good to know, and gives me faith in our country.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the religious zealots are the idiots who engage in a faith based idiocy that those who disobey laws against robbery or murder are somehow going to obey gun laws
    You've gotta love liberal logic: "We know you have the right and it's not to be infringed, but we want to talk about infringing a little to make us feel safer, that you don't want to give us the attention we crave means you are "poisoning the well". So let's talk about compromise even though we offer nothing to make up for you giving up your rights, you're the one being unreasonable and crazy".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You've gotta love liberal logic: "We know you have the right and it's not to be infringed, but we want to talk about infringing a little to make us feel safer, that you don't want to give us the attention we crave means you are "poisoning the well". So let's talk about compromise even though we offer nothing to make up for you giving up your rights, you're the one being unreasonable and crazy".
    No one who understands this subject believes that those who want more gun laws have any motivation other than hassling gun owners

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No one who understands this subject believes that those who want more gun laws have any motivation other than hassling gun owners
    that's a great way to disregard the beliefs of those you disagree with: simply tell yourself again & again, that they just care about hassling honest gun owners, and really don't give a **** about reducing crime and the number of innocent deaths in our country.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
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    why do hysterical gun haters lie like rugs on these threads and pretend they can win arguments by engaging in homoerotic diversions which none of the pro-rights posters ever mention?
    Projection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The "citizen Militias" are nothing more than a bunch of paranoid nuts petting their long, hard weapons.

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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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