View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please explain.
    In Arizona, and different from a number of other states, a person doesn't actually have to be a danger to self or others to be evaluated for mental illness. Here, anyone can petition the court to have someone evaluated or involuntarily committed for psychiatric evaluation and treatment, in Arizona, one need only be "persistently or acutely" ill. Lougner's continued bazaar behavior at Pema Community College was a red flag that was not reported to the local community health system. If it had, and based on his behavior if Loughner had been found to be mentally ill, his name would then have gone into the system and would have prevented his purchasing a gun.

    Lougher identified his pot addiction to the army recruiter and was denied enlistment by the army. You cannot legally buy a weapon if you are addicted to controlled substances. Loughner went to the army to enlist and freely admitted that he was addicted to pot. There's a strong reason to consider Loughner's behavior as questionable.

    Finally, AFT 4433 where it asks if you are addicted to illegal drugs Loughner checked "No".










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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    In Arizona, and different from a number of other states, a person doesn't actually have to be a danger to self or others to be evaluated for mental illness. Here, anyone can petition the court to have someone evaluated or involuntarily committed for psychiatric evaluation and treatment, in Arizona, one need only be "persistently or acutely" ill. Lougner's continued bazaar behavior at Pema Community College was a red flag that was not reported to the local community health system. If it had, and based on his behavior if Loughner had been found to be mentally ill, his name would then have gone into the system and would have prevented his purchasing a gun.

    Lougher identified his pot addiction to the army recruiter and was denied enlistment by the army. You cannot legally buy a weapon if you are addicted to controlled substances. Loughner went to the army to enlist and freely admitted that he was addicted to pot. There's a strong reason to consider Loughner's behavior as questionable.

    Finally, AFT 4433 where it asks if you are addicted to illegal drugs Loughner checked "No".
    well, if someone wants a gun bad enough, of course they are gonna lie on their application form.

    "have you been convicted of a felony?"

    "are you addicted to any illegal substances?"

    "have you ever been diagnosed with a severe mental illness?"

    "No sir, not me sir, I'm as clean as a whistle and pure as the driven snow. Now sell me a Glock and 30-round clip so I can go kill some tyrants".

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we don't need a Militia again. The National Guard fulfills its purpose just fine. They are a reserve unit that can be and has been called up in times of crisis & unrest...which is the Constitutional purpose of the Militia.
    Not exactly. The militia were mostly farmers and others that supported the rural environment of our nation at that time. They had rifles. They knew each other. They tended to closely share a common culture. They could protect their farms and slaves from the natives, etc. The National Guard is too big and formal to provide an equivalent function in today's environment. Restoring the militia wouldn't require a constitutional change. Militias could keep the 'crazies' out, provide training, establish standards, communication, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Not exactly. The militia were mostly farmers and others that supported the rural environment of our nation at that time. They had rifles. They knew each other. They tended to closely share a common culture. They could protect their farms and slaves from the natives, etc. The National Guard is too big and formal to provide an equivalent function in today's environment. Restoring the militia wouldn't require a constitutional change. Militias could keep the 'crazies' out, provide training, establish standards, communication, etc.
    No, only an act of Congress would be needed to undo the Militia Act of 1903.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    well, if someone wants a gun bad enough, of course they are gonna lie on their application form.

    "have you been convicted of a felony?"

    "are you addicted to any illegal substances?"

    "have you ever been diagnosed with a severe mental illness?"

    "No sir, not me sir, I'm as clean as a whistle and pure as the driven snow. Now sell me a Glock and 30-round clip so I can go kill some tyrants".
    Of course. But, if you have a record for substance abuse, persistent bazaar public behavior and have been declared to have a mental disorder of the type that Loughner has and it had all been properly reported he would have been in deep caca for perjuring himself on the form. Because of that it should have alerted police and mental health that a mentally unstable person was attempting to purchase a weapon. As none of the above was handled properly the NICS could not function as it was designed to.










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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Of course. But, if you have a record for substance abuse, persistent bazaar public behavior and have been declared to have a mental disorder of the type that Loughner has and it had all been properly reported he would have been in deep caca for perjuring himself on the form. Because of that it should have alerted police and mental health that a mentally unstable person was attempting to purchase a weapon. As none of the above was handled properly the NICS could not function as it was designed to.
    well then, we need a better system to report possibly mentally unstable people to the ATF, so they can be investigated my professionals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    well then, we need a better system to report possibly mentally unstable people to the ATF, so they can be investigated my professionals.
    The system works well for the most part. Show me a system that is perfect. The laws, policies and procedures are already in place and functioning.










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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, only an act of Congress would be needed to undo the Militia Act of 1903.
    YES. I posted "Restoring the militia wouldn't require a constitutional change." I think you are agreeing with me.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    well then, we need a better system to report possibly mentally unstable people to the ATF, so they can be investigated my professionals.
    So being "possibly mentally unstable" is enough of a crime to be investigated. OK, let's start with you!
    Oh, Risky Thicket should be second.
    Oh no! I'm on the list too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ask the Democrat party, who decided that the issue of gun control was such a poison pill to their candidates that they largely started keeping quiet about the issue several years ago.
    But Goshin, I was YOU who made the statement. I don't think the Democratic Party would agree with you.

    So when was it that the majority of the voting public decided the issue of firearms having enough controls on them?
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