View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Years ago, one could support gun owners rights and still lobby for legislation on the subject. That is no longer possible in this current political environment which has taken a hard right turn. For some - and I say some and not all or even a majority - the First Amendment has supplanted the Second Amendment regarding gun rights in that their devotion and love of firearms is far closer to a religious like fervor based on willful belief than anything else. And right from little many are taught it is dangerous and nonproductive to mess with peoples religious beliefs.

    Once upon a time, when we had mass killings in which firearms were involved, rational people discussed it and ideas for legislation were introduced and debated. We just saw three young people slaughtered in Chardon, Ohio and instead of spurring national discussion, those who want to do so are charged with using dead children to promote an agenda which is never identified.

    There simply is no current environment for rational discussion on this topic.

    Because the majority of the voting public has decided that we have enough gun control laws already, thank you very much, and don't see the need for more. Indeed, the trend instead is to trim the current mess back a little towards something that less impedes the honest citizen.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because the majority of the voting public has decided that we have enough gun control laws already, thank you very much, and don't see the need for more. Indeed, the trend instead is to trim the current mess back a little towards something that less impedes the honest citizen.
    When did the majority of the voting public decide that issue?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When did the majority of the voting public decide that issue?
    Ask the Democrat party, who decided that the issue of gun control was such a poison pill to their candidates that they largely started keeping quiet about the issue several years ago.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Years ago, one could support gun owners rights and still lobby for legislation on the subject. That is no longer possible in this current political environment which has taken a hard right turn. For some - and I say some and not all or even a majority - the First Amendment has supplanted the Second Amendment regarding gun rights in that their devotion and love of firearms is far closer to a religious like fervor based on willful belief than anything else. And right from little many are taught it is dangerous and nonproductive to mess with peoples religious beliefs.

    Once upon a time, when we had mass killings in which firearms were involved, rational people discussed it and ideas for legislation were introduced and debated. We just saw three young people slaughtered in Chardon, Ohio and instead of spurring national discussion, those who want to do so are charged with using dead children to promote an agenda which is never identified.

    There simply is no current environment for rational discussion on this topic.
    Maybe those people see nothing wrong with the current legslation or thihnk its already to much when it comes to gun control and OTHER areas need improved.

    Now with that being said I dont know what you are actually referring to, civility should always be the primary road that one takes but in my OPINION theres not much legislation left to do for gun control that actually hinders/prevents the situation you brought up and doesn't punish law abiding citizens.

    but if there was Id gladly disgust them.

    its just my opinion but I personal would love to see:
    - NATIONAL gun laws and castle laws not have it vary state to state. (open carry, conceals and castle all matching)
    - I dont want guns banned in any location except some government locations (courthouse, pentagon etc) or threat to national security. Temp bans are fine, presidential visit etc.
    - Quick Background check for purchase that is a national database (in PA it took about 10-15min when I did it)
    - Background check for CWP, in PA mine was easy, court house & paperwork.

    Distributors, mass buyers and sellers could probably use some regulations but so do manufacturers. Im not familiar with all the rules to suggest or deny anything though

    I just dont want laws the punish me the law abiding citizen and empower the criminal which some laws certainly do.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Tim McVeigh, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Jared Laughner, The Weathermen, The Black Panthers, FALN, all thought they were fighting injustice....by killing American law enforcement & politicians. Heroes of yours?
    I know you weren't asking me, but I see them as not belonging to the 2nd amendment militia. To have a functioning militia you need its members aligned, i.e. sharing the same objective. If we followed the 2nd ...

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I know you weren't asking me, but I see them as not belonging to the 2nd amendment militia. To have a functioning militia you need its members aligned, i.e. sharing the same objective. If we followed the 2nd ...
    what is the "2nd Amenment Militia"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    There is no "The" Militia. There have been several militia's, government organized and citizen organized.
    actually yes, there is. or there was.

    The Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, and the various Militia Acts by Congress clearly spell out the framework of The Militia. And The Militia was eventually done away with in 1903, with The Militia Act of 1903, which formalized the National Guard, to take over the responsibilities of the civilian Militia.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    actually yes, there is. or there was.

    The Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, and the various Militia Acts by Congress clearly spell out the framework of The Militia. And The Militia was eventually done away with in 1903, with The Militia Act of 1903, which formalized the National Guard, to take over the responsibilities of the civilian Militia.

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    I get the aÁtions that were taken regarding government militia. At this point the argument becomes about arming citizens who should have the right to arm themselves against foreign and domestic threats.

    That is what many groups are doing now. Arming and running drills but these groups are more right wing than previous radicals.they will be interesting to watch

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I think some Democrat was shot here in AZ. I guess that was justified. Maybe it was a gun free zone.
    I don't see how he could have been shot, seeing as how there's a law against shooting heads of state. Perhaps the Left shold pass a law requiring everyone to follow the law, and then pass another law telling people they have to follow the law telling them to follow laws, and then pass another law telling people they have to follow the law telling them to follow the law which tells them to follow laws, and then pass another law.....

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I get the aÁtions that were taken regarding government militia. At this point the argument becomes about arming citizens who should have the right to arm themselves against foreign and domestic threats...
    those folks are not part of any Militia spelled out by our Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Militia Act.

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