View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Oh? The militia were citizens that had arms.
    hmm.. I would suggest it is irrelevant - the amendment reserves the right to the people. Mind you, the Founders didn't exactly draw big thick separating lines between those two categories:

    "I ask sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
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    A sufficient mass of independent, armed citizens is the final and ultimately the only defense against threats from abroad, domestic threats at home, and threats from our own government.

    Some interesting recent research trying to pin down the actual amount of defensive gun usage









    Turtle: I steadfastly opposed class envy until you posted that list of firearms. In the interest of fairness, I must now insist that you redistribute your shooting experiences in my direction by taking me to the range next time with you.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bull****, it should be no issue at all. Have you ever read the 2nd Amendment, it applies to the Fed more than anyone. In my view, if I cross a state line with my Glock, it's none of their ****ing business.
    Yes, you are a member of the militia.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the best thing to keep politicians in line is them knowing if they rape the rights of the righteous, an honest patriot might kill them
    Yup, an honest patriotic member of the militia is clearly in control for all of us.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hmm.. I would suggest it is irrelevant - the amendment reserves the right to the people. Mind you, the Founders didn't exactly draw big thick separating lines between those two categories:

    "I ask sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
    George Mason


    A sufficient mass of independent, armed citizens is the final and ultimately the only defense against threats from abroad, domestic threats at home, and threats from our own government.

    Some interesting recent research trying to pin down the actual amount of defensive gun usage









    Turtle: I steadfastly opposed class envy until you posted that list of firearms. In the interest of fairness, I must now insist that you redistribute your shooting experiences in my direction by taking me to the range next time with you.
    There is a famous quoting of McTojo saying any effort to attack the American mainland would fail because "There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". I would say that is EXACTLY what the founders wanted, a citizenry so respected for their condition of being armed that no outside force would dare challenge.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yes, you are a member of the militia.
    All able bodied males aged 18-45 are. Really all citizens are but on paper the former is the law, in fact during a period of martial law it is legitimate to deputize or draft from the pool specifically stated for the purposes of defense both on the home front and for the military.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    When you get a chance do some work with the Walther P99, every time somebody who knows way more about guns than me (this isnt hard) shoots mine they claim its awesome and they are going to get one. I know for a fact some have but again Im not upper level gun guy.
    They are ok as striker fired handguns go and are very similar to a SW handgun (Smith and Wesson and Walther are in a joint venture relationship in the USA). They point well but never quite caught on like the Glock, XD or SW M&P did among the plastic framed pistols

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Tim McVeigh, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Jared Laughner, The Weathermen, The Black Panthers, FALN, all thought they were fighting injustice....by killing American law enforcement & politicians. Heroes of yours?
    That's just getting silly

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Did the the thugs have a gun? Did they point it at you? I only had one guy point his at me. I didn't have one.

    Nope-that's why I didn't kill either one of them

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Oh? The militia were citizens that had arms. Oh, did the 9th and 10th correct the 2nd so the second doesn't apply anymore?
    that's silly. the federal government never was delegated the power to regulate arms. Its a made up power that FDR did with the commerce clause

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    Re: Guns

    Years ago, one could support gun owners rights and still lobby for legislation on the subject. That is no longer possible in this current political environment which has taken a hard right turn. For some - and I say some and not all or even a majority - the First Amendment has supplanted the Second Amendment regarding gun rights in that their devotion and love of firearms is far closer to a religious like fervor based on willful belief than anything else. And right from little many are taught it is dangerous and nonproductive to mess with peoples religious beliefs.

    Once upon a time, when we had mass killings in which firearms were involved, rational people discussed it and ideas for legislation were introduced and debated. We just saw three young people slaughtered in Chardon, Ohio and instead of spurring national discussion, those who want to do so are charged with using dead children to promote an agenda which is never identified.

    There simply is no current environment for rational discussion on this topic.
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