View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, and some day, some lone-wolf revolutionary, or a conspiracy of revolutionaies, is gonna kill another politician, or blow up another Federal building, or detonate a subway car or bus, in order to fight "injustice".

    and he is likely to use the exact same rationale that you uttered. "I was only fighting fur liberty n' freedom"


    Show me where I used that statement you claim I uttered.

    You like those strawmen doncha?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Or me-name it I most likely I have owned it, or shot it extensively

    These include

    Walther PPK PP, PPKS

    SIg Sauer P220, P226, P 228, P229, P239, P238

    Every variation of the Beretta 92 from the Uber rare Billenium to the Brigadier, 84, 85

    Glock 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 26, 17L, 34

    HK USP, P-30, 2000

    Browning HP,

    Star 30

    SW Gen I, 2, 3 and three 59 style, MP in 45, 40, 9 MP compact 9, most of the revolvers
    J frame, K frame L frame N frame from 22-44 Mag

    SA XD 9 and 40

    dozens of different 1911 style guns-Kimbers, Wilson Les Baer, Craig Custom, Colt, Randall (that's one you don't see much these days) Rock River (another rare one), Sig, Remington

    Russian Makarov

    Egyptian Helwan (Copy of the old 1951 Beretta Brigadier)

    French MAS

    Most of the various low circulation Italian Jobs like the Bernadelli

    Ruger P9 P85 etc

    that's without looking at my notes.

    When you get a chance do some work with the Walther P99, every time somebody who knows way more about guns than me (this isnt hard) shoots mine they claim its awesome and they are going to get one. I know for a fact some have but again Im not upper level gun guy.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Show me where I used that statement you claim I uttered.

    You like those strawmen doncha?
    its not a strawman at all. its simply an interpretation of your post.

    you say folks will push back when the government goes to far, and you "understand" why Tim McVeigh did what he did.

    you don't think he was fightin' for freedom & liberty?

    what about Mumia, and FALN, and The Weathermen, and the Black Panthers. do you approve of their fight for freedom & liberty as well?
    Last edited by Thunder; 03-03-12 at 01:00 AM.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its not a strawman at all. its simply an interpretation of your post.

    you say folks will push back when the government goes to far, and you "understand" why Tim McVeigh did what he did.

    you don't think he was fightin' for freedom & liberty?

    what about Mumia, and FALN, and The Weathermen, and the Black Panthers. do you approve of their fight for freedom & liberty as well?

    I don't think you read my post. I said I didn't approve of McVeigh's actions.

    I said that when gov't pushes too far, people tend to push back.

    I placed no value judgement on this other than saying it sent a certain message about crossing certain limits.

    If you're going to critique me at least be accurate.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ...I don't approve of what McVeigh did, but I understand why he did it: revenge for what Reno and the Feds did to all those men women and children at Waco.

    I'm not saying it was right... but it was a message and a wakeup call that there are consequences to things like Waco.

    It is a hard thing to consider, but in a free society when the gov't pushes further than it should, it may well get pushed back.


    Those who do that pushing may be labeled outlaws and terrorists and may well deserve the label they are put to death under.... but for whatever reason the Feds haven't pulled any more Wacos in a while, have they?...
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't think you read my post. I said I didn't approve of McVeigh's actions.

    I said that when gov't pushes too far, people tend to push back.

    I placed no value judgment on this other than saying it sent a certain message about crossing certain limits.

    If you're going to critique me at least be accurate.

    looks like tacit approval, to me.

    you state you UNDERSTAND why McVeigh killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

    you then go on to suggest that there have been some positive benefits from his actions, since there haven't been any more Wacos.

    you appear to be giving this a thumbs up...with your hand behind your back so no one can see it.
    Last edited by Thunder; 03-03-12 at 01:15 AM.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    looks like tacit approval, to me.

    you state you UNDERSTAND why McVeigh killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

    you then go on to suggest that there have been some positive benefits from his actions, since there haven't been any more Wacos.

    you appear to be giving this a thumbs up...with your hand behind your back so no one can see it.


    Oh I say that was a clever effort.



    Approve? No.

    Recognize a principle and postulate that some positive effects can sometimes result from evil intentions... yes.


    Any more mole hills you want to make Mt Everest out of?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How about someone who was jumped in an alley by two thugs, and shot one of them and caused the other to lose control of his bowels so badly the Police Car had to be sent off for professional cleaning
    Did the the thugs have a gun? Did they point it at you? I only had one guy point his at me. I didn't have one.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's moronic. You ignore the 9th and 10th amendments and how can a militia be called up if citizens don't have arms?
    Oh? The militia were citizens that had arms. Oh, did the 9th and 10th correct the 2nd so the second doesn't apply anymore?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    looks like tacit approval, to me.

    you state you UNDERSTAND why McVeigh killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

    you then go on to suggest that there have been some positive benefits from his actions, since there haven't been any more Wacos.

    you appear to be giving this a thumbs up...with your hand behind your back so no one can see it.
    I thought understanding why terrorism happens is not the same thing as justifying or condoning it. Or does that only apply to Islamic terrorism?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some pretty pathetic scholarship there.
    Please give me some detail. Or is scholarship itself pathetic, that I would understand.

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