View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    In Arizona it's let everyone have a gun. I don't recall, have we had any problems here?
    Only if you count gov brewer.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're a smart fellow, Sam, just face the facts: there are reasons why handguns are the weapon of choice for most civilian self-defense, other than home defense. (and even then there are times a handgun is better, such as when clearing a corridor or stairwell but that's another topic...)
    You know, I'm not debating those points, as I am sure you may be right on them.

    All I'm saying is that I think it would be better that those things be decided on a local level.

    I'm not even saying handguns should be considered illegal everywhere.

    I'm just saying that I think the people of a locality should be able to decide for themselves in regards to that. And if a locality feels the same way you do then they should be free to do so.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Guns

    I want a thorough background check before purchase and carry along.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Amen.

    Jerkwad criminals get away with too many crimes before getting serious time. Then they get out early too often and have generally not undergone any real "reform".

    We shouldn't be letting people OUT of prison in the FIRST place unless we think they are SAFE to be out in society as normal citizens.
    Prison isn't about reform in the u.s. it's about punishment.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You know, I'm not debating those points, as I am sure you may be right on them.

    All I'm saying is that I think it would be better that those things be decided on a local level.

    I'm not even saying handguns should be considered illegal everywhere.

    I'm just saying that I think the people of a locality should be able to decide for themselves in regards to that. And if a locality feels the same way you do then they should be free to do so.

    If people in Chicago, DC and NYC, etc, were actually voting in a public referendum what kind of local gun control laws they wanted in their jurisdiction I could see your point, but it is being decided FOR them by political "machines" that run those municipalities, not by the people.

    Besides which, my Constitutional rights should not change from one state or city to another.... they're supposed to be universal rights of all citizens regardless of where.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Prison isn't about reform in the u.s. it's about punishment.
    Hell it is not really even about that; it is about warehousing them for the specified period with a minimum of expense and fuss, then scuffling them out to make room for the next schmuck whether they've actually learned anything or not.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Prison isn't about reform in the u.s. it's about punishment.
    Then apparently it's not working as a deterrent. If the recidivism rate is high for violent criminals, then the justice being served is not adequately structured, nor the pusnishment severe enough. Prison should be a place that nobody wants to go to, much less return to. If you go to prison, and you learn that the last thing you want is to be there, then you have, in essence, been reformed. I support having no criminal record for released felons. Ex-cons really get screwed out in the real world after release, because they have a criminal record that keeps them from getting gainful employment. It's like a scarlet letter.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If people in Chicago, DC and NYC, etc, were actually voting in a public referendum what kind of local gun control laws they wanted in their jurisdiction I could see your point, but it is being decided FOR them by political "machines" that run those municipalities, not by the people.

    Besides which, my Constitutional rights should not change from one state or city to another.... they're supposed to be universal rights of all citizens regardless of where.
    1) You're right, which is why I favor expanded usage of referendums. I even advocate a Constitutional amendment in which the people can veto federal legislation and presidential executive acts via referendum, and use referendum to pass federal laws.

    2) Which is why, in the opinion I have, I consider people to have a universal right to rifles and shotguns so that they may be used for hunting, for self-protection, and as a well-regulated militia. I think that anybody should be able to own a rifle or shotgun anywhere, and that a person's right to bear arms is absolute in that way, but I don't think it's absolute in regards to all weapons, which, in my opinion, includes handguns.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Only if you count gov brewer.
    "Too shay" as Reasonable Mind likes to say.

    Jan Brewer, God help us. There is also a state legislator who, during an interview in her office last year, took out her pistol pistol and showed it to him during the interview. Pointed at him! When he asked her not to point the gun at him she replied, "It's not loaded." Had she been through any formal gun training? No.










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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    1) You're right, which is why I favor expanded usage of referendums. I even advocate a Constitutional amendment in which the people can veto federal legislation and presidential executive acts via referendum, and use referendum to pass federal laws.

    2) Which is why, in the opinion I have, I consider people to have a universal right to rifles and shotguns so that they may be used for hunting, for self-protection, and as a well-regulated militia. I think that anybody should be able to own a rifle or shotgun anywhere, and that a person's right to bear arms is absolute in that way, but I don't think it's absolute in regards to all weapons, which, in my opinion, includes handguns.

    Well, if doing things your way meant I could walk down Madison Square Garden with a AR15, I might decide that I could live with not being able to pack a handgun in NYC.... but you know as well as I do that the Bloombergs of the world aren't going to accept that. Hard enough to get them to accept that people have a right to a gun to defend their own homes.

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