View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    My feelings on gun control can't be accurately summed up by those short statements.

    I believe that in order to purchase guns, one should have to be able to demonstrate that they know basic gun laws and safety rules. Once you demonstrate that, then it should be an easy process. Just an instant background check and off you go. The requirements to carry in public should be a bit stricter, and should involve proving basic proficiency with your weapon on a shooting range, and knowledge of laws on when it is and is not legal to use your weapon.
    And how much would all that cost? Great to see that people see that rights should be curtailed to the point of making them functionally pointless.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No strawman. We've had issues with veterans losing rights over PTSD, and heard people (wasn't that YOU?) call for all gun owners to submit to a mental-health test before being allowed to buy a gun.....
    did I call for folks to lose their gun rights, simply due to having stress????

    no, no I did not. hence my question of your statement being a strawman.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I'm not sure what your position is but come on man. Do you expect people to just casually carry rifles and shotguns through the streets?
    If someone wants to, why not?

    If owning a firearm, including rifles and shotguns, is perfectly legal why shouldn't someone be able to carry it around on the streets if they want?

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    And you say it yourself a rifle or shotgun can kill someone just as easily as a shotgun or rifle so why would anyone carry something bigger and heavier?
    Because it's bigger and heavier and thus more noticeable. If you want to defend yourself then wielding a rifle or shotgun makes everyone know that you're capable of and willing to defend yourself. And it's not something criminals can really hide so they can use it in their criminal endeavors.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty.
    That is what probable cause is with the Baker Act. You are legally detaining someone because they are felt to be a danger to themselves or others. This is a state of Florida law, but I feel it is a good law to be anywhere (not sure what it is elsewhere).

    An involuntary Baker Act is when a person is taken to a receiving facility for involuntary examination when there is reason to believe that he or she is mentally ill and because of his or her mental illness, the person has refused voluntary examination; the person is unable to determine for himself or herself whether examination is necessary and without care or treatment, the person is likely to suffer from neglect or refuse to care for himself or herself and such refusal could pose a threat of harm to his or her well being; and there is a substantial likelihood that without care or treatment, the person will cause serious bodily harm to himself, herself or others in the near future as evidenced by recent behavior.
    Baker Act

    And as far as teh gun thing goes...I wasn't sure of your position. I just wanted to clarify it.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No strawman. We've had issues with veterans losing rights over PTSD, and heard people (wasn't that YOU?) call for all gun owners to submit to a mental-health test before being allowed to buy a gun.

    Problem with mental-health issues is it is somewhat subjective, not an exact science, and too easily abused by anti's.
    This is all true.

    But that's why I also think we need a universal mental health care system so we can provide aid to our veterans with PTSD and to those with other mental illnesses.

    But that's a whole 'nother argument...
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Generally speaking, long guns (rifles, shotguns) are better than handguns at almost everything, except certain specialized applications...

    1. Close-quarters combat
    2. Concealment
    3. Handiness, lightness, ease of carry and use.


    It's hard enough to get a woman to carry a little automatic, I sure don't see them lugging around shotguns and rifles to go shopping.
    We have done amazing things with technology. I'm sure that if there is a big enough market for them we can get gun manufacturers to make a rifle or a shotgun ideal for female use. And we can also get women to get used to using firearms too.

    If women can get used to driving and having careers then theyy can get used to pulling a trigger.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If someone wants to, why not?

    If owning a firearm, including rifles and shotguns, is perfectly legal why shouldn't someone be able to carry it around on the streets if they want?



    Because it's bigger and heavier and thus more noticeable. If you want to defend yourself then wielding a rifle or shotgun makes everyone know that you're capable of and willing to defend yourself. And it's not something criminals can really hide so they can use it in their criminal endeavors.
    I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to do it. I just think it would be very strange. But now that I think about it what does a concealed carry permit allow one to carry? Is it only handguns or any gun?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    What a bunch of nuts we have here...
    "let everyone have a gun...implied no regulation".....33% !!
    Your so-called freedoms and liberties are more important than the welfare of society...
    And imagine if madmen such as I were to be a gun-owner.....freedoms and liberties....down the drain !
    1) Freedoms and Liberties are far more important than the general welfare of society...because individual freedoms and liberties ARE the general welfare of society.
    2) You are more than welcome to have a gun as a nutbag. Keep in mind that those of us you call a "bunch of nuts " are going to have a gun as well.
    3) Oh and we keep and bear arms to prevent madmen with guns from taking our freedoms and liberties.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    ...2) You are more than welcome to have a gun as a nutbag....
    sorry, but I don't think untreated paranoid schizophrenics who hallucinate and think everyone is trying to kill them, should be allowed to own firearms.

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    Re: Guns

    Again. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Where is the well regulated Militia? A militia is like a 'light' army reserves, i.e. mostly civilian. And if you don't follows the rules of the militia you are kicked out. This was the intention of the 2nd, regardless of those that have reduced it to: "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is meaningless as a separated phrase.

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