View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wait, what?

    What, then, is 'Typical Turtle Talk', and are you accusing TD of thinking that you killed children?
    Please see my post 1059 which details a point by point case. Then see the Turtle response, post 1061, in which he simply attacks it without any actual debate involved of any kid stating his usual talking points.

    Turtle is accusing me of smearing the Second Amendment. If the second amendment has been smeared because of the killing of the three in Ohio, it was not me who did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please see my post 1059 which details a point by point case. Then see the Turtle response, post 1061, in which he simply attacks it without any actual debate involved of any kid stating his usual talking points.

    Turtle is accusing me of smearing the Second Amendment. If the second amendment has been smeared because of the killing of the three in Ohio, it was not me who did it.
    the only people smearing the second amendment or claiming that the existence of the second amendment had some role in the killings are anti gun extremists

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is the idiocy of your position-they are not heroes but victims and they didn't pay the price for us having a second amendment. You are trying to claim that if there was no second amendment there would be no innocents killed by whackos. That is a false assumption

    and you clearly are trying to impose a feeling of guilt on gun owners with your nonsense
    No. I never claimed that either. Perhaps you can quote where I said that.

    If somebody feels guilt or not is not for me to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All rights are indeed abridged because some people are irresponsible. Read the First Amendment. It clearly states that Congress shall make NO LAW in certain areas of freedom - two of which are speech and press. But yet, e have laws against the irresponsible use of these rights - slander and libel. Of course, we place limits on rights.
    Slander is being irresponsible with a right. That is, to infringe excessively on the right of another in the exercise of ones own. All rights are subject to limitation resulting from other rights. The point you missed is that limiting a right due to the chance that someone might irresponsibly use it... does not work. You lost the context of "limiting rights because someone might abuse it" and went to "all rights have limitations". The point is, we cannot limit the legitimate rights of some because others are/might be irresponsible.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please see my post 1059 which details a point by point case. Then see the Turtle response, post 1061, in which he simply attacks it without any actual debate involved of any kid stating his usual talking points.
    I shan't review the nonsense. Is "Typical Turtle Talk" a smear or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only people smearing the second amendment or claiming that the existence of the second amendment had some role in the killings are anti gun extremists
    And that is not me. I support the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear and use arms.

    It is sad that instead of debating the issue, you have to resort to demonizing people who disagree with you and lying about their beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. I never claimed that either. Perhaps you can quote where I said that.

    If somebody feels guilt or not is not for me to say.
    stop the nonsense.

    Your longwinded post suggests because of the second amendment there are lots of guns and some get misused and thus the second amendment is partially the reason for murders

    and yes you are trying to lay a guilt trip on those of us who exercise our second amendment right

    dead children--stop the silliness

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Slander is being irresponsible with a right. That is, to infringe excessively on the right of another in the exercise of ones own. All rights are subject to limitation resulting from other rights. The point you missed is that limiting a right due to the chance that someone might irresponsibly use it... does not work. You lost the context of "limiting rights because someone might abuse it" and went to "all rights have limitations". The point is, we cannot limit the rights of some because others are/might be irresponsible.
    But we do just that. And examples have been given and you accept those as true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And that is not me. I support the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear and use arms.

    It is sad that instead of debating the issue, you have to resort to demonizing people who disagree with you and lying about their beliefs.


    You are not debating the issue

    You are appealing to emotion by trying to blame the second amendment

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop the nonsense.

    Your longwinded post suggests because of the second amendment there are lots of guns and some get misused and thus the second amendment is partially the reason for murders

    and yes you are trying to lay a guilt trip on those of us who exercise our second amendment right

    dead children--stop the silliness
    NO. You are putting words there that I did not write. Why do you do this? Not just once but over and over again.

    The intended use of the gun is to fire a projectile at a target. A gun used in a crime is not misuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are not debating the issue

    You are appealing to emotion by trying to blame the second amendment
    I am not blaming anything. I am trying to get you to see reality that there is a good side and a negative side to the right. You, take the position of the extremist zealot who is blinded by their advocacy and calls the right a mitzvah - a Pure Good - from which nothing bad can happen. That is an absurd position and denies reality.
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