View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    did your just fancyfy all your words and use so many so to do the exact same thing if you had just said "no turdle dude your wrong"


    never get why liberals think talking more like a college grad makes their point more or less valid.
    I want him to understand why he is wrong. Not sure he understands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I want him to understand why he is wrong. Not sure he understands.
    Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime, and the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development, are not legitimate sources?
    Only for those who think it is a good idea to let outsiders have any say in telling us how to run our own country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I don't understand NOT having the right to own a gun. In your country are only criminals, terrorists and killers armed? The government is armed, right? Citizens aren't free to arm themselves? Tell me about how it is in Turkey.

    I think you would love it here.
    almost everybody can easily have a gun here if he applies for a gun license and so lots of potential killers may have a gun ,all kind of citizens are free enough to arm themselves,and this is very disturbing and the reason why i dont like the gun rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    No right whatsoever. Using firearms for illegal purposes was never a right.
    but how can you know that one having gun will use that right just for self protection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    but how can you know that one having gun will use that right just for self protection?
    You don't. You don't know what anyone will do until they do it.

    How do we know you're not going to beat some random stranger to death with a brick? We don't.

    But we don't get to act on the assumption that you are going to do such a thing, until you actually do it, or at least give us some good cause to believe that you intend to do such a thing. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a foundation of our justice system. We do not get to treat someone as a criminal until he has, in fact, been proven to be a criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You don't. You don't know what anyone will do until they do it.

    How do we know you're not going to beat some random stranger to death with a brick? We don't.

    But we don't get to act on the assumption that you are going to do such a thing, until you actually do it, or at least give us some good cause to believe that you intend to do such a thing. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a foundation of our justice system. We do not get to treat someone as a criminal until he has, in fact, been proven to be a criminal.
    partly i agree with you, a justice system must be as you describe,but flexible laws may encourage the ones who tend to commit a crime to do it easily .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    partly i agree with you, a justice system must be as you describe,but flexible laws may encourage the ones who tend to commit a crime to do it easily .
    Under the principles upon which this nation was founded, we don't get to abridge someone's rights because we think he might commit a crime. What you call “flexible laws” that “may encourage the ones who tend to commit a crime to do it easily”, we call “freedom”. The vast majority of us do not ever, in our entire lifetimes, commit serious crimes. Those few who do, don't do so because the laws are too “flexible”. To make us less free does nothing to protect those of us who are not criminally-inclined from those who are, and even if it did, it's not consistent with the values on which this nation was founded. As one of the great men who founded this nation wrote, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You still confuse a right with someone's misuse of an object



    and what is your purpose with calling slain children Heroes of the second amendment
    Misuse? What misuse. A firearm is made to shoot a projectile and hit an object. That is its intended use. To use it to nail something into apiece of wood might be a misuse. But to intentionally fire a bullet from it by squeezing a trigger is exactly the way it is suppose to be used. One cannot separate the object from the right to keep and bear that same object because that is the language of the Second Amendment. Or are you going to tell us that the Second Amendment is only to keep and bear arms but not fire them? That would be absurd.

    My purpose of calling the high school kids killed in Ohio heroes of the Second Amendment is because that is what they are. All of us live in a society where the Second Amendment is in effect. Part of that is the fact that in some areas there are more firearms than there are actual people. The proliferation of firearms means that we live in a society with a large number of firearms owned by a very large number of people. Connect the dots.

    You were afraid to answer my question before so Captain America did it for you. If there were no guns, there could be no American shot here. If there were but a single gun in the land, it could be easily controlled and there would be no large numbers of people killed each year with firearms. Same if there were but one gun per state. But that is not the reality of America. The reality of America is that we have a Second Amendment and we have millions upon million of guns and we have simply crossed over the tipping point with them. We now get all kinds of collateral damage from them. And we all live with the possibility that we can become collateral damage at any time on any day for almost any reason beyond our own control.

    The kids at Columbine suffered that fate.
    The kids in Ohio suffered that fate.
    The adults at Virginia Tech.
    I could add to that list from the historical record but the point is made.

    This is the America we live in. As such, this is a reality we accept. So that the good of the Second Amendment can be present in America - and I have repeatedly stated that on balance the Second Amendment is more good than bad - and the good things associated with the right to keep and bear arms can work in the land, we accept the collateral damage. We accept the reality that our children can die at any die for reasons that are senseless to us. We accept the reality people will commit crimes with guns, that people will commit suicide with guns, that there will be accidents with guns - and we all know the results. So we are all potential heroes of the Second Amendment in that we permit this, we allow this, we tolerate this, we accept this as American citizens. And when innocent citizens actually pay the price of that right to keep and bear arms with their own lives, they are true heroes.

    Turtle - it does not matter if you agree with me or not on this issue. It does not matter if you accept my explanation on this issue. It is irrelevant if you do or not.

    One cannot do as you have clearly stated and operate under the false self imposed belief that the Second Amendment is a pure good - a mitzvah - from which no bad can happen or flow. There are good advantages to the Second Amendment and there are negatives to the second Amendment. It is not the mitzvah or a Pure Good you believe it to be. No work of man can be for we are human and to be human is to err sometimes.

    Some of your fellow posters who are very supportive of weapons have seen this argument and side with it. What prevents you from seeing reality?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then you should listen to what the claims are. Please point to where I said banning guns would end crime.

    And no, you can't prove that. You think you can, because a few causal relationship error filled reports tell you that, but they don't hold up (hint look up causal relationship fallacy).

    So, to recap, you inaccurately guess at my claim, which is odd because it means you have either not read what you quoted, or the meaning escapes you. And secondly, you don't know the weakness in your own claim.

    But, go ahead, throw an insult about how dumb everyone else is.


    we can prove gun laws that apply only to honest people do cause us hassles

    You cannot prove those laws deter crime

    you fail the burden of proof

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