View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its moronic to say a right is not good or partially good

    the best you can say is that some people abuse a right for no good

    and we also know that even if there was no right to keep and bear arms, we'd still have tons of guns around which is true in many other countries
    Again you preach a falsehood.

    The question not is if rights are good or a particular right is good. I asked you days - VERY SPEFICALLY WITH THE EXAMPLE FROM SCHINDLERS LIST - I asked if if the Second Amendment was a PURE GOOD. Something from which no bad or negative could come. You stated that it was a PURE GOOD.

    That is a ludicrous and fantasy position. And it shows just how extreme you are on this issue that will not even accept that there is good and bad with the Second Amendment.

    Ask yourself this: if there was no bad at all from guns - why do we have laws against their use in certain ways?

    Ask yourself this: if there was no bad at all from guns - is the suicide of a heart broken teen who just blew their brains out a good thing? Does that make part of your PURE GOOD?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah, and where do you think "that guy" gets the guns to sell?

    he drives to places like North Carolina, buys 10 handguns, drives up north, and sells them on the street.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. None.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...none of the main reasons are deterred by gun limits

    btw did you ever answer my question as to why I shouldn't be able to buy more than one gun a month
    criminals get their guns, through straw purchases and crooked gun-dealers.

    so, now that we know this, how do we stop these staw purchases and crooked dealers?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Since your thread got flushed I cannot bring back the posts from it here. But the fact remains-claiming that those children are the heroes of the second amendment was a patent attempt to try to smear the second amendment by implying that this right's existence causes innocent people to die
    I never advocated taking away one right anyone has. Go and open this type of thread in the appropriate area and find my views then and post them. I dare you to do it if you think you are able.

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    Or is what you fear that bringing out all sides of the gun issue something that will harm your own extreme position? It seems that is it.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. None.
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    And yet the overall murder rate in most countries is higher than the U.S. per capita. Care to try again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, but much less than the USA, as its much more difficult for criminals to get a gun.

    let's be honest: if all guns were illegal in the USA...gun crime would go waaaaaaay down.
    That is certainly false to a degree that only you seem able to achieve.

    If it was illegal to own a gun in this county, then many, many Americans who are now law-abiding would be forced to become criminals, for refusing to give up this vital right. Technically, this would result in a massive increase in the crime rate. And a massive increase in violence as government thugs try to take the "illegal" guns from their rightful owners.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "damn kettle, you're lookin' pretty black."....says pot.

    I see you did a pretty good job of staying silent when I provided legitimate sources instead of an open source and VERY flawed Wikipedia article. You have been owned on these arguments continuously, just admit it already.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again you preach a falsehood.

    The question not is if rights are good or a particular right is good. I asked you days - VERY SPEFICALLY WITH THE EXAMPLE FROM SCHINDLERS LIST - I asked if if the Second Amendment was a PURE GOOD. Something from which no bad or negative could come. You stated that it was a PURE GOOD.

    That is a ludicrous and fantasy position. And it shows just how extreme you are on this issue that will not even accept that there is good and bad with the Second Amendment.

    Ask yourself this: if there was no bad at all from guns - why do we have laws against their use in certain ways?

    Ask yourself this: if there was no bad at all from guns - is the suicide of a heart broken teen who just blew their brains out a good thing? Does that make part of your PURE GOOD?
    you again engage in dishonesty. You are confusing a right with an object.

    USE Of an OBJECT can be for good or evil. You appear to confuse rights with objects

    what is idiotic is your pretense of being pro second amendment. No one believes that on this thread.


    and your idiotic "Heroes of the second amendment" was a new low of dishonesty

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    criminals get their guns, through straw purchases and crooked gun-dealers.

    so, now that we know this, how do we stop these staw purchases and crooked dealers?
    prosecute them under the law when they are convicted

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    where/how do criminals in the USA, get their guns?

    frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS
    Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. [...] According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun.
    The thing about this is, if I decided I wanted a pistol I'd have to get someone to go with me to the gun shop to pick it out and get the right gear to maintain it. Wouldn't be the case for a shotgun or rifle but I'm just plain ignorant when it comes to handguns. If that's breaking the law then I guess I'd be screwed.
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