View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I realize that. I don't support the idea that people who have paid their debt to society should still be marginalized as citizens once they are free again.
    I agree. That's why felons have the right to petition a court to get their gun-rights back.

    However, I don't know if they can petition to get back their voting rights. And that's disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    But where does the constitution say that convicted felons (who have obviously served out their sentence, if they're free) have no second amendment rights? Or indeed the 'institutionalized'? Why are these classes of people denied the right to self-defence? Who decided to place limits on constitutional rights?

    Strangely, I find myself in agreement with Jerry and James on this. If you are a free resident, is it not your constitutional right to bear arms? Background checks seem utterly pointless.

    I don't believe the right to bear arms is a universal human right, but it is clearly a US constitutional right and should not be subject to state or federal laws without a constitutional amendment.
    Yes. The way I read it its only the Militia that has the right to take your guns. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ?????????????
    You can look it up if you like. A felon does not have full citizenship and certain rights are no longer relevant (voting, firearms, etc). I am sure you knew this. They are 2nd Class I guess. I believe that is the way it should be this way anyway, but that is another discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I agree. That's why felons have the right to petition a court to get their gun-rights back.

    However, I don't know if they can petition to get back their voting rights. And that's disgusting.
    Imo, they shouldn't have to petition the court to get their rights back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The poll doesn't really represent my ideas when it comes to gun control.

    I think that firearms that are used primarily for hunting and that are difficult to conceal - rifles, shotguns, and other long arms should have rather low restrictions. Handguns, on the other hand, should be regulated locally.


    The problem is the places most prone to restrict the possession and/or carry of handguns are places like NYC, Chicago, DC.... places where an honest citizen most NEEDS to carry a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The People. Why do you want folks who have committed robberies & burglaries to own guns?

    IF they served their time in prison then yes their constitutional rights should be reinstated.If you wish for these people's rights to be infringed on then you need to push for a constitutional amendment.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, they shouldn't have to petition the court to get their rights back.
    that's your opinion, and I respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Who has shown them to be a psychopath prior to some type of felonious action on their part? Just because someone acts suspicious or mentally unstable, it doesn't imply that they can or should be declared a psychopath.
    "A Secret Service study* into school shootings concluded that school shooters do not simply snap and that a person’s downward spiral toward violence is typically accompanied by numerous warning signs."'

    *“Safe School Initiative: An Interim Report on the Prevention of Targeted Violence in Schools,” U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center in collaboration with the U.S. Department of Education with support from the National Institute of Justice, Co-Directors Bryan Vossekuil, Marissa Reddy PhD, Robert Fein PhD, October 2000

    I have done a little more research and have found that psychiatric professionals are pretty well agreed that people don't just snap. They show signs. And if you are showing symptoms you CAN be Baker Acted. In a few cases of mass shooters, there was clearly a failing in the system that didn't not act upon clear warning signs. If a person shows the righty symptoms they absolutely should be declared dangerous to themselves or others. Pyschopathy is a specific diagnosis btw, and there other classifications that would show someone to be a danger to themselves or others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    "A Secret Service study* into school shootings concluded that school shooters do not simply snap and that a person’s downward spiral toward violence is typically accompanied by numerous warning signs."'

    *“Safe School Initiative: An Interim Report on the Prevention of Targeted Violence in Schools,” U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center in collaboration with the U.S. Department of Education with support from the National Institute of Justice, Co-Directors Bryan Vossekuil, Marissa Reddy PhD, Robert Fein PhD, October 2000

    I have done a little more research and have found that psychiatric professionals are pretty well agreed that people don't just snap. They show signs. And if you are showing symptoms you CAN be Baker Acted. In a few cases of mass shooters, there was clearly a failing in the system that didn't not act upon clear warning signs. If a person shows the righty symptoms they absolutely should be declared dangerous to themselves or others. Pyschopathy is a specific diagnosis btw, and there other classifications that would show someone to be a danger to themselves or others.
    Children in school aren't yet of legal age to own firearms.
    As for showing signs, if someone notices these signs, and doesn't report them, why would that person be restricted from buying a gun legally? If they did report those signs, then the psychiatric and legal system would have to intervene in such circumstances. Until the individual has committed a felony, or otherwise been barred legally from his constitutional rights, these are just hypotheticals.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Where does it say that in the Constitution?
    Sorry for the Typo:

    Article 1 Section 8:

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    Of course the more important (prior was just something interesting I saw):

    The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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