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Who do you support for 2012?

  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Rick Santorum

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Newt Gingrich

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Ron Paul

    Votes: 11 36.7%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 16 53.3%
  • Total voters
    30
TNAR said:
Just look back at all the people who say something to the effect of, "I like Paul the best and would vote for him but he has no chance of winning so I'll support X." Seems to me like he doesn't get much support because everyone has been fooled into the concept of "throwing away your vote".

Just shows the crock of $%^& that representative democracy really is.
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Whenever I hear that tripe I'm reminded that I see more Ron Paul signs than anyone else's, that he wins most polls for debates and in voting polls even when he places 2nd the media don't even mention him, and by the Douglass Adams quote, "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

The system, the media, and those who support the system spew that tripe, or make appeals to ridicule him but never actually explain how he is wrong about anything, they just misrepresent his positions (non-interventionism) and attack their easy straw men (isolationism, alleged weakness on foreign policy for opposing useless foreign bases, the infamous Ron Paul newsletter.)

How anyone could support such phony candidates merely because they "can win" makes me resent the civics of so many of my countrymen.
 
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cthomp said:
Why are you talking about issues from many years ago? It is 2012 not the 1960's and 70's. African Americans have the same opportunities as everyone else if not more. And when I say more I am talking about the demographic requirements that have to be met. If you want to talk about issues of race then what about when my dad was taking the test to become a cop in the early 90's when white males had to score a 90% or better and black males only had to score a 60%? That was fair:roll: .
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Because the its taken a long time to get over those issues and you were talking about going back in time.
Yes you are correct, the 90% and 60% standards were fair.
 
Lachean said:
Whenever I hear that tripe I'm reminded that I see more Ron Paul signs than anyone else's, that he wins most polls for debates and in voting polls even when he places 2nd the media don't even mention him, and by the Douglass Adams quote, "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

The system, the media, and those who support the system spew that tripe, or make appeals to ridicule him but never actually explain how he is wrong about anything, they just misrepresent his positions (non-interventionism) and attack their easy straw men (isolationism, alleged weakness on foreign policy for opposing useless foreign bases, the infamous Ron Paul newsletter.)

How anyone could support such phony candidates merely because they "can win" makes me resent the civics of so many of my countrymen.
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Exactly my thinking. Anyone saying his foreign policy is isolationism hasn't been watching the debates. He says get our bases out of foreign countries and in stead of forcing ourselves on others we should talk to them. Not go into other countries attempt to overthrow their government and tell the people the way their government should be. Why is it ok for us to do it, but if the people of a country go to another country and attempt to make it communist its not ok? Very hypocritical. The golden rule makes complete sense. If Iran had military bases over here we would be doing the same thing they are. As for his his electability, the caucuses being held are very fishy. Announcing winners before the votes are counted. Trying to steal Paul's votes. Turning the lights out as they collect the ballots instead of doing a public vote such as they have in the past. He has the most support of any other candidate including Obama from active duty military. I would say him not being electable is bs. Time for the media to give us the news not make their own.

DaveFagan said:
In another post, I stated I would vote for Ron Paul if he runs as an independent or Libertarian. I vote for Obama if Paul runs as a Republican.
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This makes no sense. I though your suppose to vote for who you thought would be the best president not against a party just because you don't like them?

OhIsee.Then said:
Because the its taken a long time to get over those issues and you were talking about going back in time.
Yes you are correct, the 90% and 60% standards were fair.
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I'm just going to pray you are kidding about the 90% 60% standards.
 
Sheriff Joe Arpaio did an in depth investigation of Obama's birth certificate. Just announced today. I understand that his mother was found not to be a citizen of the US. Apparently they went to Hawaii and found his forgery in the states bound birth certificates and that apparently the Republican Governor had it inserted there. And Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his volunteers did this on their dime and didn't charge the Arizona government anything. I guess we'll be succeeding form the US until we have a valid president. I'm so glad we'er past racial bias and now have the truth.
 
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OhIsee.Then said:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio did an in depth investigation of Obama's birth certificate. Just announced today. I understand that his mother was found not to be a citizen of the US. Apparently they went to Hawaii and found his forgery in the states bound birth certificates and that apparently the Republican Governor had it inserted there. And Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his volunteers did this on their dime and didn't charge the Arizona government anything. I guess we'll be succeeding form the US until we have a valid president. I'm so glad we'er past racial bias and now have the truth.
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How is this relevant?
 
cthomp said:
How is this relevant?
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cthomp posted in the first post "I believe in the Constitution and think that we as Americans are slowly being stripped of our rights." I replied about the loss of rights. And, Obama is listed as one of cthomp's choices.
Our Papers please sheriff Joe Arpaio is restoring our rights.
btw, we are in AZ now.
 
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Ron Paul is the only honest one. I don't agree with some of his concepts. Still, it would be fascinating to have someone of principle just one time before I die. So, I'll vote for him if I can. If not, I haven't decided what to do. I'm sure disappointed with Obama. I think Romney would be a better manager so I might not vote at all. If Santorum manages to get it, I'll vote several thousand times for Obama :)

I suspect what lies ahead is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" sung in D Minor with the accompanying sounds of a can being kicked down a road. <<In the background, a cat meows softly>>
 
your reply about the loss of rights was 50 years ago=Irrelevant. Obama's not being a citizen=Irrelevant.
 
specklebang said:
I suspect what lies ahead is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" sung in D Minor with the accompanying sounds of a can being kicked down a road. <<In the background, a cat meows softly>>
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If Mitt Romney gets elected in then I can see that for sure. Obama and Romney's top contributors have some similarities. Romney seems to be confused though. He likes to change his mind quite often
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Our Papers please sheriff Joe Arpaio is restoring our rights.
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How in the world can requiring documentation to travel be considered "restoring our rights"?

specklebang said:
Ron Paul is the only honest one. ... So, I'll vote for him if I can. If not, I haven't decided what to do.
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I've already decided that I will vote for Ron Paul or I will not vote. I cannot support a system which is so obviously biased and corrupt. My resounding question at election time is always, at what point does it become patently obvious that the so-called "representative" government we have does not represent us? Less than half of the eligible nation even bothers to vote and roughly one-quarter determines the chief executive. Generally 40% or fewer take the time to vote for congressmen which leaves about one-fifth choosing these politicians. How can anyone conceivably argue that the entire nation is represented by the whims of 20-25% of the nation? How low do these figures need to drop before we admit this farce?

specklebang said:
I suspect what lies ahead is ... sounds of a can being kicked down a road.
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I'm not so sure there will be any can kicking. They will certainly attempt to kick the can but I don't think it's gonna be going much further down the road. A toe can only take so much kicking.
 
I think you'll be amazed. Most of our cans have been bouncing along as far as I can remember, about 50 something years. Same story, different day. We've gotten away with it so long that nobody even knows the combination any more.



TNAR said:
I'm not so sure there will be any can kicking. They will certainly attempt to kick the can but I don't think it's gonna be going much further down the road. A toe can only take so much kicking.
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Not really. The debt hasn't been anywhere near this large because it had always been required to be repaid via real money (i.e. gold). With nothing but empty promises backing the currency today there is nothing to keep confidence in the dollar from being decimated (which is will in due time).

I don't have time to get into this tonight but will certainly dive in more in the future if this thread is still alive and kicking.
 
TNAR said:
Not really. The debt hasn't been anywhere near this large because it had always been required to be repaid via real money (i.e. gold). With nothing but empty promises backing the currency today there is nothing to keep confidence in the dollar from being decimated (which is will in due time).

I don't have time to get into this tonight but will certainly dive in more in the future if this thread is still alive and kicking.
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I'm no economic guru but I think that if there is no solid backing of our money then the value of the dollar will only depreciate over time.
 
TNAR said:
How in the world can requiring documentation to travel be considered "restoring our rights"?
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What is it you don't understand about our Our Papers please Sheriff Joe Arpaio? You don't want to be traveling with Mexicans do you.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
What is it you don't understand about our Our Papers please Sheriff Joe Arpaio? You don't want to be traveling with Mexicans do you.
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I want peaceable individuals to have the freedom to travel where they wish without government-provided slave papers.
 
cthomp said:
I'm no economic guru but I think that if there is no solid backing of our money then the value of the dollar will only depreciate over time.
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It has depreciated approximately 98% since the Federal Reserve came into being. The first 100+ years it depreciated/appreciated just around +/-1%.
 
TNAR said:
I want peaceable individuals to have the freedom to travel where they wish without government-provided slave papers.
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It's the Mexicans that are supposed to be the slaves in AZ.
 
TNAR said:
It has depreciated approximately 98% since the Federal Reserve came into being. The first 100+ years it depreciated/appreciated just around +/-1%.
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lol where theres the obvious problem. How is the rest of the world's monetary system backed?
 
cthomp said:
I'm no economic guru but I think that if there is no solid backing of our money then the value of the dollar will only depreciate over time.
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And what does this have to do with this thread.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
And what does this have to do with this thread.
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Its an obvious issue in the economy now. The federal reserve is printing money like crazy and just putting any value they please on it. Ron Paul plans to audit the fed and slowly get rid of it over time. Your input on rights of african americans in the 60's was an issue in the 60's no longer an issue now.
 
cthomp said:
Its an obvious issue in the economy now. The federal reserve is printing money like crazy and just putting any value they please on it. Ron Paul plans to audit the fed and slowly get rid of it over time. Your input on rights of african americans in the 60's was an issue in the 60's no longer an issue now.
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I retired about 10 years ago. An African I worked with was discriminated against. I don't know how much longer it continued after I left.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
I retired about 10 years ago. An African I worked with was discriminated against. I don't know how much longer it continued after I left.
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It was 10 years ago and you have no further knowledge. So again past issue.
 
Welcome to DP. Nice to see Obama is winning:2razz:
 
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