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Would Jesus be a Liberal?

Which of these political leans would Jesus be?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 40 44.0%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 13.2%

  • Moderate

    Votes: 7 7.7%

  • Potato

    Votes: 32 35.2%
  • Total voters
    91
Blackdog said:
Yea that's why you ignored my response, because I was brainwashed. :roll:
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If you were raised from early childhood with religion, you might well be.

But no, I ignored your response because it did not warrant a response. Do you, or anyone else, have empirical evidence that this jesus person performed 'miracles'? That there is a god? That your god is real while the gods of every other religion are false? Empirical, not feeling, or faith.
 
cpwill said:
:lamo so people raised in Christianity are brainwashed, and only adult converts are insane. :mrgreen: got it.
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Adult converts make even less sense, as by the time one is an adult, they should be able to use reason and logic and not need to rely on mythology.
 
:) gosh. so the results contradict your hypothesis. sounds like your premises might be flawed. :)
 
Comparing to today standards - Conservative all the way.
Comparing to then standards - Moderate.
Then people thought differently.
 
cpwill said:
:) gosh. so the results contradict your hypothesis. sounds like your premises might be flawed. :)
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What on earth are you talking about? Or is it just the normal diversion from questions that ask about real evidence of all the faith based stuff?
 
Arbo said:
What on earth are you talking about? Or is it just the normal diversion from questions that ask about real evidence of all the faith based stuff?
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well, run it through a key assumptions check: what are your key assumptions here?
 
cpwill said:
well, run it through a key assumptions check: what are your key assumptions here?
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You spin good. The key assumptions that I see you and others making, is that there is a God, and Jesus was the son of god sent down to earth. That he performed miracles. Yet nobody has any empirical evidence to back such assumptions.
 
Arbo said:
You spin good. The key assumptions that I see you and others making, is that there is a God, and Jesus was the son of god sent down to earth.
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that is incorrect - that is not an assumption I make :)

one assumption I do make is that I am not actually insane.

what is an assumption you make?
 
Arbo said:
If you were raised from early childhood with religion, you might well be.
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My home was semi religious Catholic. I then became a pagan, and moved on to full blown atheist. Years later as a middle aged adult I was called back into the ministry. So no, your assumption would be wrong.

Arbo said:
But no, I ignored your response because it did not warrant a response. Do you, or anyone else, have empirical evidence that this jesus person performed 'miracles'? That there is a god? That your god is real while the gods of every other religion are false? Empirical, not feeling, or faith.
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Nice strawman. Here is your post that I responded to...

That's about like: Many people wrote and talked about a boy named Harry Potter. Let's see some proof he does not exist. - Arbo

So my belief or whether or not Jesus was able to preform miracles or is the literal son of God was and is not the issue. You said Jesus was as fictional a character as Harry Potter. I then presented evidence from Roman historians of the time who are not Christians and avowed well educated atheists like Dawkins, who admit Jesus most likely existed.

You can dodge and run, but you can't hide from your own words.
 
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cpwill said:
that is incorrect - that is not an assumption I make :)
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Yes, of course, it is a 'truth' you 'know'. All based on 'faith' but not fact or science.

Blackdog said:
I then presented evidence from Roman historians of the time who are not Christians and avowed well educated atheists like Dawkins, who admit Jesus most likely existed.
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Well, I always assume 'most likely' to be hard core scientifc data. :roll:
 
Arbo said:
Well, I always assume 'most likely' to be hard core scientifc data. :roll:
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So you are still going to ignore the Roman historical records of the time? So I can assume outside of a strawman, you got nothing again.

Keep shucking a moving. It is funny to watch you dance and bring intellectual dishonesty to a new level, hehehe.
 
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Blackdog said:
It is funny to watch you dance and bring intellectual dishonesty to a new level, hehehe.
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As I already said, as a human that person may have existed. So what? That does not make him 'son of god'. It is funny you would bring intellectual dishonesty into a discussion about religion, ironic really.
 
Arbo said:
As I already said, as a human that person may have existed. So what? That does not make him 'son of god'.
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You said he was no more real than Harry Potter. The rest as I said is strawman, and completely irrelevant.

Arbo said:
It is funny you would bring intellectual dishonesty into a discussion about religion, ironic really.
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Well that's OK. At least I don't look like a dumbass making stupid remarks about things I know little about.
 
Blackdog said:
You said he was no more real than Harry Potter. The rest as I said is strawman, and completely irrelevant.



Well that's OK. At least I don't look like a dumbass making stupid remarks about things I know little about.
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Perhaps you should have kept reading what I said and not got stuck on one statement.

Nice divert from the intellectual dishonesty of the 'faithful' to calling someone a dumbass. That's real 'christian' of you.
 
Arbo said:
Perhaps you should have kept reading what I said and not got stuck on one statement.

Nice divert from the intellectual dishonesty of the 'faithful' to calling someone a dumbass. That's real 'christian' of you.
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More strawman and completely irrelevant. ;)

So please don't try and use that tired "Oh how Christian of you" because coming from someone like you, it really means nothing.
 
Of the possible choices, his teachings most closely resemble Liberalism. But none are adequate, since they're political.

I do know that if he returned today, the Cons would crucify him again.
 
Blackdog said:
More strawman and completely irrelevant.
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If pointing out that you missed something is a strawman, perhaps it is time for a refresher via google.

So please don't try and use that tired "Oh how Christian of you" because coming from someone like you, it really means nothing.
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I did not try to use it. I did use it. And it doesn't matter who it comes from, your actions justify it.
 
Arbo said:
Yes, of course, it is a 'truth' you 'know'. All based on 'faith' but not fact or science.
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interesting. and yet it is you here who has already admitted that his theory fails application to the scientific method (namely, that results contradict your hypothesis). and it is I who am so far standing on facts.
 
cpwill said:
and it is I who am so far standing on facts.
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If your definition of 'facts' is:

cpwill said:
he proceeded to produce unexplainable miracles capped by rising from the dead and then continuing to interact with people for two millenia.
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Then as I suggested before, it is a waste of time to discuss religion with the 'faithful'.

It goes noted that there was no attempt by anyone of 'faith' to answer as to how their faith is the 'true' one, or what real proof there is of miracles or god. Have a nice day.
 
Arbo said:
If pointing out that you missed something is a strawman, perhaps it is time for a refresher via google.
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I missed nothing you said. Even re-posted your own statement to show it was a strawman. Keep bloviating though, it looks good on you.

Arbo said:
I did not try to use it. I did use it. And it doesn't matter who it comes from, your actions justify it.
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Well if being a hypocrite is your forte, go for it!
 
Like I said to cpwill, have a nice day.
 
Arbo said:
If your definition of 'facts' is:
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that is incorrect. the eyewitness testimonies that have survived in textual form are evidence, certainly, are not themselves supporting facts. their existence is factual, and to say that they claim that Jesus performed many unexplainable miracles is factual, but they themselves are merely evidentiary. If you want to know the facts that I stand on, it is the same that I base everything else on - my experience. I know that Jesus exists for the same reason that I know that my little brother exists - because I have a relationship with Him and interact with Him regularly.

your argument, however, is based upon the assumption that all there is is myth, which would require that all of us claiming to have met and interacted with God are insane, on the order of a man who claims to be a baked potato, or who claims that the government has implanted a receiver in his brain to let aliens track his movements. Your later adjusted argument that it was all childhood-era brainwashing does not account for adult conversion, as you yourself admit, but your ironclad, evidence-free, factless (one might say, your "faith-based") assumption that we are all somehow crazy remains in place. odd, that, from a guy so interested in proof.
 
cpwill said:
:) Happy Easter.
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I will have a good sunday.

btw, if you ever happen to catch any of your interactions with god on video, please share the video with us.
 
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