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Would Jesus be a Liberal?

Which of these political leans would Jesus be?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 40 44.0%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 13.2%

  • Moderate

    Votes: 7 7.7%

  • Potato

    Votes: 32 35.2%
  • Total voters
    91
He'd be leaving Chicago


 
German guy said:
Maybe we just have to define what "theft" is. Some say taxes are theft, although you get something in return. Others say "possession is theft" or "ownership is theft".
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Exactly. Some on the far left also see the capitalist system as inherently exploitative and a form of theft (according to Marx's labor theory of value). There's no universal definition of what theft is - same with phrases like "rightfully earned" or "rightfully deserved."
 
StillBallin75 said:
Exactly. Some on the far left also see the capitalist system as inherently exploitative and a form of theft (according to Marx's labor theory of value). There's no universal definition of what theft is - same with phrases like "rightfully earned" or "rightfully deserved."
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Idiots like Marx can think whatever they want. How exactly does that change anything?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Exactly. Some on the far left also see the capitalist system as inherently exploitative and a form of theft (according to Marx's labor theory of value). There's no universal definition of what theft is - same with phrases like "rightfully earned" or "rightfully deserved."
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Yes. And in Jesus' times, that all wasn't relevant yet. There weren't really taxes as we have today, neither was there a developed capitalism. So I believe we don't know what Jesus would have said on this topic.
 
Henrin said:
Idiots like Marx can think whatever they want. How exactly does that change anything?
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I'm saying definitions are subjective, and perspectives differ. Way to be super anal-retentive about it. Care to address my point, or you going to continue bitching about Marx?
 
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StillBallin75 said:
I'm saying definitions are subjective, and perspectives differ. Way to be super anal-retentive about it. Care to address my point, or you going to continue bitching about Marx?
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Marx just had a different opinion based on idiotic thoughts and motivations. It proves nothing.
 
There is very little cuter than Libertarians who think Jesus is anything like them.

Seriously my children, Jesus was the guy who said "feed the poor" not "**** the poor".
 
Henrin said:
Marx just had a different opinion based on idiotic thoughts and motivations. It proves nothing.
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Yeah, but Marx was a bit more sophisticated when explaining his thoughts than just saying "you guys suck, because you are idiots".
 
German guy said:
Yeah, but Marx was a bit more sophisticated when explaining his thoughts than just saying "you guys suck, because you are idiots".
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All he had to do was show how they would less responsible with his ideas and be better off. You can get people to buy into anything if you offer them less responsibly. He offered nothing new, just dreams thought up years before he was ever born. All he did was recycle idiocy already disproven using a tactic thought up before even Jesus was born.
 
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"Your flag won't get you into heaven anymore" - John Prine

 
Henrin said:
All he had to do was show how they would less responsible with his ideas and be better off. You can get people to buy into anything if you offer them less responsibly.
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Dude, being a labor worker in 19th century Europe was not fun at all. And this really hasn't much to do with responsibility.
 
German guy said:
Dude, being a labor worker in 19th century Europe was not fun at all. And this really hasn't much to do with responsibility.
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Of course it was. Everything was better before unions, Marxism and Keynesian economics you socialist bitch.
 
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Hatuey said:
There is very little cuter than Libertarians who think Jesus is anything like them.

Seriously my children, Jesus was the guy who said "feed the poor" not "**** the poor".
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22 liberals think Jesus was for a strong central government. That is pretty damn cute if you ask me.

And Jesus like libertarians are for charity to help to such ends.

I'm not saying he was libertarian at heart, but you are doing a piss poor job of showing otherwise.
 
Hatuey said:
Of course it was. Everything was better before unions, Marxism and Keynesian economics you socialist bitch.
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At least the kids were off the streets and had no time to do all those immoral things they do today. ;)
 
Henrin said:
22 liberals think Jesus was for a strong central government.
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No. 22 liberals think Jesus would have been a liberal. Learn to use logic instead of straw man arguments.

That is pretty damn cute if you ask me.
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We have different definitions of cuteness. I find Libertarians politically irrelevant but realistically cute.

And Jesus like libertarians are for charity to help to such ends.
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Sure he was. He also told his followers to sell their possessions, feed the poor and remove themselves from pursuit of material wealth.

I'm not saying he was libertarian at heart, but you are doing a piss poor job of showing otherwise.
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I don't debate straw man or silly arguments. Sorry?
 
German guy said:
At least the kids were off the streets and had no time to do all those immoral things they do today. ;)
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If anybody deserves to be stuck to a cross and crucified, it's Milton Freedman. That dirty bastard and the Chicago school of economics have been used to justify massacres across pretty much every continent. However, all the little Libertarian kids just like him cause it's cool to read his books when you're in your 20s. Once you get out into the real world, it's a completely different story.
 
Hatuey said:
If anybody deserves to be stuck to a cross and crucified, it's Milton Freedman. That dirty bastard and the Chicago school of economics have been used to justify massacres across pretty much every continent. However, all the little Libertarian kids just like him cause it's cool to read his books when you're in your 20s. Once you get out into the real world, it's a completely different story.
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For me, it was the opposite. I read Marx in my teens and later found the real world is different.

But of course you're right, it's easy to talk about "responsibility" when you're not in need. And when you are denied all other options besides pestilence and cholera, it's more than understandable that you will attempt to change the rules of the game. Freedom can't fill your belly.
 
German guy said:
Dude, being a labor worker in 19th century Europe was not fun at all. And this really hasn't much to do with responsibility.
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You are only helping my point. The fact that it was not fun and they were looking for a way out only allows him an opening. The fact is he used this to his ends so does anyone else that is offering less responsibility.
 
Henrin said:
You are only helping my point. The fact that it was not fun and they were looking for a way out only allows him an opening. The fact is he used this to his ends so does anyone else that is offering less responsibility.
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What exactly is "responsible" about a small elite denying a large share of the population any kind of participation in their society?
 
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