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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't think Jesus would have been a libertarian. "There is no such thing as society, there are only individuals" -- that's the core assumption of libertarianism, and Jesus probably couldn't have disagreed more.

    So Jesus was in favor of a community where people help each other and forgive each other. Liberals want to use primarily the state to help people in need, conservatives primarily want private organisations, church communities and private philantropes to help those in need. In Jesus' times, that distinction did not exist yet. So you cannot tell which it is.

    At any rate, I imagine Jesus would be very upset about the vengeful way we treat criminals. There are law-and-order people who always think the punishment for a "monster" is still not harsh enough, wallowing in vengeful hatred, not wasting any thought for compassion and forgiveness. I don't think Jesus would have agreed with them.
    There's a difference between opposing individual isolationism (as some libertarians do) and a desire to criminalize it (as non-libertarians would). I might love someone and want to spend the rest of my life with them, but if they hate my guts, the right thing to do is to leave them alone.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    I think he would fit right in with the OWS group. It'd give him the opportunity to tip over the banker's tables. Ergo, he'd probably also have to be agood hacker.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think he would fit right in with the OWS group. It'd give him the opportunity to tip over the banker's tables. Ergo, he'd probably also have to be agood hacker.
    Jesus didn't promote laziness or sucking off of someone's wealth.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Jesus didn't promote laziness or sucking off of someone's wealth.
    True. which is why he went after the money changers.

    He also opposed wealth.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    He opposed wealth, though.
    He supported charity, he didn't oppose wealth. He opposed wealth polluting the heart and people making money through selfish/unethical means. Many of the wealthy members of the early church had meetings in their homes and utilized their larger homes for this purpose.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    There's a difference between opposing individual isolationism (as some libertarians do) and a desire to criminalize it (as non-libertarians would). I might love someone and want to spend the rest of my life with them, but if they hate my guts, the right thing to do is to leave them alone.
    I understand where you are coming from, but I believe Jesus taught that it's a moral obligation to support people, especially people you don't like. That maybe doesn't mean you should be forced to spend much time with them, but when they are in need, they deserve support. And he also said that it's well possible loathed outcasts -- be that prostitutes or what you'd call "illegal immigrants" today -- will rather enter the Kingdom than rich people who think they are living a moral life -- God will decide.

    Jesus naturally didn't say whether institutionalized support via the state, or private support is preferable. The state back then was simply not on the same level of development as it is today. But I believe you can justify both -- the demand for private charity, as well as the demand for social welfare nets -- with Christian ideas.

    I have a problem with that too, on a personal level, as I am often quite a "loner" and often hate being sourrounded by other people. I would hate being forced together with other people. But I still think the reminder that you have a responsibility for others is a noble teaching.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Jesus believed in feeding the hungry, healing the sick, & bringing comfort to the downtrodden.

    clearly, if he was a live today, he would be a Liberal.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Jesus didn't promote laziness or sucking off of someone's wealth.
    I imagine he also didn't support distorting the truth in order to smear those who disagree with you.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    He supported charity, he didn't oppose wealth.
    He did both.

    He opposed wealth polluting the heart and people making money through selfish/unethical means.
    You've missed the real message in the Camel passing through the eye of the needle. He was saying that a person who did earn the passage into heaven would not be rich regardless of how much income he had earned in his life. The reason the rich man has difficulty is because he didn't do as much as he was capable of because his greed caused him to hoard his wealth.

    Being good is not simply a matter of giving out a portion of one's wealth while keeping the lion's share of it. There's no sacrifice in that.

    A person who dies rich has not done enough to earn passage into Jesus' heaven. A person who earned a lot of money in his life but gives enough of it away to prevent himself from dying rich has sacrificed for others.

    The hoarding of personal wealth while anyone suffers form a lack of money is selfish and unethical. That's what Jesus was saying. He most definitely opposed personal wealth.

    Many of the wealthy members of the early church had meetings in their homes and utilized their larger homes for this purpose.
    If they followed Jesus' teachings, they may have had large homes, but they certainly weren't wealthy anymore.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Jesus believed in feeding the hungry, healing the sick, & bringing comfort to the downtrodden.

    clearly, if he was a live today, he would be a Liberal.
    But Jesus could perform miracles to achieve that. Economically speaking, he thus had unlimited resources. He could just lay a hand on someone and everything was fine.

    The problems between conservatives and liberals today are because of limited resources, and how to distribute them. That's a problem Jesus didn't have.

    If we had unlimited resources today and healing and feeding people would cost $0.00, I'm sure no conservative would be opposed to unlimited public healthcare for everybody, for example.
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