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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are saying "all cons and Republicans" like we are all the same? I am not even a Republican although I am a conservative. That is painting with a large brush.

    As far as homosexuality and abortion, abortion is considered murder by many which is strictly forbidden. Homosexuality is also condemned by Paul, the OT and Jesus defined marriage as one man with a woman, period. They at the time did not use the term "homosexuality" but kind of hard to misinterpret "a man shall not lie with a man." Many Christians no matter which political philosophy you are talking about would like to see divorce and adultery punishable in some way. Fortunately Jesus was preaching spiritual salvation and the best way to build up your gifts in heaven, not enforced morals via government. Members of both party's do this, so again trying to point out the spec is all you are doing.
    Again, the issue I am discussing is about righteous living according to teachings of Christ and how does that translates into a political philosophy.

    Christ spoke of the Kingdom and the love of Father for his people. That was his primary message. But, he also spoke a great deal about righteous living. My original contention was the Republican and Conservative political philosophy (which are far more synonomus now than ever) is never reflected in the teachings of Christ... and anytime this argument exists, the best anyone comes up on the alignment of Christian and Conservative values is issues of homosexuality and abortion..... my contention to that is 1) Christ never spoke about either (though clearly homosexuality is condemned in the Bible) and 2) issues Christ did speak about include a renouncation of greed and the evils of money (which he spoke about often) and a duty to serve the less privileged. My contention remains that if you went strictly by the teachings of Christ, you would see a much more "liberal" political philosophy than "conservative" one. Again, you original poll is some evidence to this.

    Now, I realize Conservatives hate government, but what is government? Its the administrative authority of the commons of a society. In a representative government, they are to do the people's will. When they tax.... they are not forcing (except maybe to the minority position), but are merely, in theory, executing the will of the majority. If a people in a democracy see value in taxing to service the interests of the poor, then so be it... that is democracy (or representative democracy).

    Do you know why God destoryed Sodom? According to Ezekiel 16:49-50:

    "...Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
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    " Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it."

    As a society, the people of Sodom were derelict in their duties as citizens as I think Americans have become derelict in their responsibility. We, as a people, want to put our collective heads in the sand and ignore the socio-economic trends in this country... the most significant is that while poverty continues to rise, so do the earnings of the top 1%.... we are bifurcating our economy along economic lines so that we look far more like Mexico than a prosperous society.

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    As a matter of political philosophy*, the Democratic party consistently champions policies that are designed to help the poor, needy and less fortunate... and policies that seek to reign-in greed. Again, my original assertion was the political philosophy of the Democratic party is more closely aligned the the teachings of Christ than those the the Republicans. I challenged you and others to list Christian values of the Republican philosophy. Yet, you did not respond to the challenge, nor has anyone else on this board ever taken at shot at that challenge without highlighting with homosexuality and abortion (again, neither was mentioned by Christ) and offering very little else.


    * - again, I am talking about the party philosophy... the implementation of which is in the hands of men, who are inherently corrupt (as they also are in the church)

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, the issue I am discussing is about righteous living according to teachings of Christ and how does that translates into a political philosophy.
    It does not translate. That is the problem. Christs teachings are for our personal spiritual salvation, not our politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Christ spoke of the Kingdom and the love of Father for his people. That was his primary message. But, he also spoke a great deal about righteous living. My original contention was the Republican and Conservative political philosophy (which are far more synonomus now than ever) is never reflected in the teachings of Christ... and anytime this argument exists, the best anyone comes up on the alignment of Christian and Conservative values is issues of homosexuality and abortion..... my contention to that is 1) Christ never spoke about either (though clearly homosexuality is condemned in the Bible) and 2) issues Christ did speak about include a renouncation of greed and the evils of money (which he spoke about often) and a duty to serve the less privileged. My contention remains that if you went strictly by the teachings of Christ, you would see a much more "liberal" political philosophy than "conservative" one. Again, you original poll is some evidence to this.
    No the poll does not. Those are partisan hack liberals voting. I know I have debated them for the last 3 years. Most of them don't give a **** about Christian values. The Republican party does not represent conservatives no more then that Democratic party represents progressives. Neither philosophy is compatible with Christs teachings. You are deluding yourself into some kind of false righteousness.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Now, I realize Conservatives hate government, but what is government? Its the administrative authority of the commons of a society. In a representative government, they are to do the people's will. When they tax.... they are not forcing (except maybe to the minority position), but are merely, in theory, executing the will of the majority. If a people in a democracy see value in taxing to service the interests of the poor, then so be it... that is democracy (or representative democracy).
    Conservatives do not "hate" government anymore than "liberal" do. They just want less of it. Conservatives are also not against taxes. They are against unfair and burdensome taxes. We want more personal responsibility and not wealth redistribution by threat of force. Yes Christ was down with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Do you know why God destoryed Sodom? According to Ezekiel 16:49-50:

    "...Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
    or

    " Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it."

    As a society, the people of Sodom were derelict in their duties as citizens as I think Americans have become derelict in their responsibility. We, as a people, want to put our collective heads in the sand and ignore the socio-economic trends in this country... the most significant is that while poverty continues to rise, so do the earnings of the top 1%.... we are bifurcating our economy along economic lines so that we look far more like Mexico than a prosperous society.

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    Do you honestly think God would of spared them if they taxed to help the poor?

    That is a personal issue not one of government. God loves a cheerful giver, not one who gives at gun point.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    As a matter of political philosophy*, the Democratic party consistently champions policies that are designed to help the poor, needy and less fortunate... and policies that seek to reign-in greed. Again, my original assertion was the political philosophy of the Democratic party is more closely aligned the the teachings of Christ than those the the Republicans. I challenged you and others to list Christian values of the Republican philosophy. Yet, you did not respond to the challenge, nor has anyone else on this board ever taken at shot at that challenge without highlighting with homosexuality and abortion (again, neither was mentioned by Christ) and offering very little else.


    * - again, I am talking about the party philosophy... the implementation of which is in the hands of men, who are inherently corrupt (as they also are in the church)



    The party philosophy is bull**** as no one follows it.

    Jesus did not have a political philosophy, and both parties are corrupt and don't tow any kind of line for Christianity. In fact the Democratic party is full of atheists, UU's etc. While the Republican party is primarily still Christian. What does this tell you?

    Charity AGAIN is not something to be taken by threat of force and has nothing at all to do with the teachings of Christ.

    I mean basically you are saying because the Democrats want to tax the rich more to give the poor more, this makes the philosophy more in line with the teachings of Christ. Please point out in the Bible where Anyone said "Go forth and tax in the name of the poor. For this makes you blessed in the eyes of the lord." Or did he say..."So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7).

    Your argument has no biblical bases at all.
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