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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    There is no such thing as "gay marriage". That's a media term. Jesus is speaking of marriage, period.
    its when two gay folks get married.

    this is not a difficult concept.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its when two gay folks get married.

    this is not a difficult concept.
    It's not a concept in Christianity.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    It's not a concept in Christianity.
    society has evolved a bit since 35 AD.

    Im sure if Jesus was alive today, he too would evolve with the times.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    society has evolved a bit since 35 AD.

    Im sure if Jesus was alive today, he too would evolve with the times.
    Not according to scripture. The scripture says God never changes.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    There is no such thing as "gay marriage". That's a media term. Jesus is speaking of marriage, period.
    Good point. Let me rephrase to say that men shouldn't divorce the men or women they are married to, and women shouldn't divorce the men or women they are married to.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    I think Jesus wouldn't be a traditionalist in any sense. Tradition in Jesus' world was very different, and he didn't exactly embrace it. I think Jesus would do today what he always did, challenge the modern belief system. Is it possible the modern Christian church has gone off some of his message or have gone in their own direction concerning modern political debate, yes... I would say so. I think Jesus would argue with the pope and show him tough love, as opposed to kissing his hand and praying to all the saints. I think Jesus would teach the modern Christianity something.
    Last edited by SheWolf; 03-19-12 at 10:05 PM.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    How do you not? Redistribution of wealth in the Kingdom of God is exactly what is being promised. That the humble will be exalted etc...
    THERE IS NO MATERIAL WEALTH IN HEAVEN. there is no material. there is no money. there is no scarcity. there is nothing to "redistribute". there is no law, there is no economy.

    My point is that clockwork orange style reformation of character is not antithetical to the notion of fascism.
    agreed. it is simply antithetical to Christianity. critically, those who are reformed seek it, and rather than being done for the Good Of The State, it is done for the good of the recipient.

    The trinity is the government in the kingdom of God. Otherwise it wouldn't be the Kingdom of God, it would be the anarchy of reborn people.
    you could call it anarchy if you like - but there is no "government" in the sense of "someone who tells you how fast to drive, enforces contracts, punishes wrongdoing, etc."

    but you have shifted from arguing that Christ was a Fascist to arguing that Government is Fascist.

    Neither of those are prerequisite to nationalism.
    one or the other. Nations are defined by geographic and/or ethnic boundaries, and nationalism is holding that one particular geographic or ethnic entity is superior to alternatives.

    you are attempting to make something very large fit into something that is very small.

    Yes really. Divine fiat is still production. Do you you propose that abundance will exist with no authorship at all? That creations in heaven will have no Creator?
    what would you be producing? and how would you be producing in the absence of time?

    I am sure your self professed authority on the subject is very impressive to alot of people. I have no need to assert any credentials in the matter. My arguments will stand on their own merits.
    well, that they certainly do

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    society has evolved a bit since 35 AD.

    Im sure if Jesus was alive today, he too would evolve with the times.
    do you have any idea what you just said?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    All I would know is that the GOP would call him a socialist.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    THERE IS NO MATERIAL WEALTH IN HEAVEN. there is no material. there is no money. there is no scarcity. there is nothing to "redistribute". there is no law, there is no economy.
    Treasures exist in heaven. (Matt 6:20) Whether they are material or not is ironically immaterial.

    agreed. it is simply antithetical to Christianity. critically, those who are reformed seek it, and rather than being done for the Good Of The State, it is done for the good of the recipient.
    And those who don't seek it will be enemies of the State, and will be smited by the armies of God when armageddon rolls around. When the choices are to either align your will with that of the State or to face divine wrath, I don't see how that makes the State non-fascist.

    you could call it anarchy if you like - but there is no "government" in the sense of "someone who tells you how fast to drive, enforces contracts, punishes wrongdoing, etc."
    Seems to me that wrongdoing has been punished in heaven before. Anyway, do you have some biblical basis for believing that Jesus will not reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords?

    but you have shifted from arguing that Christ was a Fascist to arguing that Government is Fascist.
    How so? I only think that one party, totalitarian, authoritarian dictatorships are fascist. If Jesus made the claim that no one would rule in Heaven, I would call Him an anarchist. If He made the claim that heaven would be governed by whatever the majority thought right, I would call Him democratic.


    one or the other. Nations are defined by geographic and/or ethnic boundaries, and nationalism is holding that one particular geographic or ethnic entity is superior to alternatives.
    You mean like the claim that being a spiritual descendant of Abraham through the same faith that was credited to him as righteousness is superior to alternatives? That is spiritually ethnic identity. Claiming that belonging to the Kingdom of God is superior to alteratives is a spiritual national identity.

    what would you be producing? and how would you be producing in the absence of time?
    Firstly, please produce a verse that indicates that time does not exist in heaven. Secondly, if your concept of heaven is a bunch of nothingness filled with more nothingness, populated by nothingness, it seems your heaven is one and the same with the atheist concept of heaven. If heaven contains anything, whatever that thing is, there is your answer. Someone has to produce the treasures mentioned in Matt 6:20.

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