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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    I see a lot of posts regarding Jesus being Jewish and therefore being liberal, but wasn't he condemed by the Jewish priests for causing trouble. Instead of looking at only whether or not him being Jewish would affect his political leanings, lets look at his actual teachings and ideas.

    He said to turn the other cheek and forgive anyone that does something bad to you. I don't want to pigeon hole an entire political ideology but on the highway, it's never the person in the Prius honking and flipping you off; it's the guy in the big truck with a confederate flag and gun rack that does.

    Jesus spoke a lot about rich men and helping the poor. The liberal philosophy has a lot more programs and policies geared towards helping the poor then the conservatives do. While both sides of the political spectrum have wealthy members, the conservative ones seem to be much more worried about letting go of theirs.

    There are many other examples, some that show Jesus to be a conservative such as being against government establishment, but overall I think that he would be considered liberal today.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If Jesus Christ were alive today, would he be a liberal, conservative, or something else? Why?
    None, because Jesus Christ would think worrying about a label(lean), and bickering with those of a label different than yours while millions of your fellow countrymen who depend on you( when i say depend on you, i am talking about those liberals and conservatives etc, that hold government positions and have your well being intrusted with them, as they are in position to make important discussions about important issues in your life, not to those people who just post on internet forums and have no ability or power to change things.) to improve the quality of life for them, by seriously and whole-heartly tying to address the matter as quickly as possible, instead of bickering on petty differences Americans are not concerned with, as long as you get the desired results of your constituants.. your most important and true constiuants if you are doing your job right, the citizens of the U.S.A. Honestly, I must say i find the title of the op very silly and distasteful to say the least. Jesus Christ is a rightous divine figure, in all three of the Abrahamic faiths(Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), to have such a rightous figure, such as Jesus Christ compared to selfish and sometimes corrupt and inmoral politicians and everyday internet blogglers etc., is almost like a veiled insult or sign of disrespect to Jesus, assuming everyone on this internet forum(including this thread) are aware of that basic fact that Jesus is holy, rightous, and a divine figure. Also i don't see what knowledge and interesting facts can be gained from such a thread. Actually i believe threads like this, that are silly and non-benefical to the forum, lower it's quality. And become a waste of time, as at times, i myself become compelled to reply to the op's post, to point that out, and then you realized you just wasted your time explaining something people already know, but seem still not to care or show any semblence of respect for obvious and well know religious figures for example.(i just believe it's a basic common courtesy).

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You may ignore his words and teachings if you wish. That is your right. Personally, as a Christian, I try to follow his teachings.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Like some of these teachings?
    Acts 4:32-35 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

    Acts 2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need

    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

    Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

    Luke 6:20-24 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

    Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

    Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

    James 2:1-5 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?

    Luke 1:49-53 For he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts; he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.

    Matthew 25:15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.

    Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
    Yes, like those, as well as "Thou shalt not steal."
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is incorrect. Christ gives you the choice between seeking Him or not doing so. Christians are nowhere ordered to attempt to force the choice, or to take any action against those who refuse other than the explicit order that we are to love them, even if they then do us the most grievous forms of harm. That is not to say that Christians have never broken that law, but simply to point out that them doing so is in contradiction to the dictates of their faith. I think you are thinking of Islam. Which does indeed have a rather different approach at current.
    Christians don't force choice, Jesus does. The choice he offers is "seek me and live the good life' or 'don't seek me and be eternally punished for not seeking me.' To use your eloquent analogy, its like offering someone the choice to either make love to you or not make love to you and 'oh by the way if you choose option number two I will shoot you in the face.'

    precisely. it's not your works - and thank God (quite literally) that it isn't.

    but this makes precisely the opposite of the point that you are trying to make; namely you are arguing that Christ judges you by what you do or do not do on earth, much as a dictatorship would - whereas this citation rather demonstrates the opposite.
    First of all, the passage talks about how people who see Jesus hungry and feed him (vicariously) will be rewarded, and how people who see Him hungry and don't feed Him (vicariously) will be eternally punished. So really the passage does say that Christ judges you by what you do (feed Him) or do not do (do not feed Him) on Earth. Not really sure where you got the idea that the passage somehow demonstrates the opposite.

    Anyway, that wasn't my point. My point was that Jesus will eternally punish people who don't choose to seek Him.

    It's a rough analogy, but you are basically looking at the differences between a couple making love and a violent rape, and concluding that because both involve sexuality, there must be an equal presence of consent on both parties.
    If I tell a girl that she can choose to either make love to me or not make love to me, but warn her that if she chooses not to make love to me I will throw her into a lake of fire, what would you call that?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    If I tell a girl that she can choose to either make love to me or not make love to me, but warn her that if she chooses not to make love to me I will throw her into a lake of fire, what would you call that?

    Got to go. More to come.
    Congrats. You just compared someone's religous beliefs to YOUR sexual conquest.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Christians don't force choice, Jesus does. The choice he offers is "seek me and live the good life' or 'don't seek me and be eternally punished for not seeking me.'
    the choice to choose Christ or not is your own - if this makes him a dictator, it makes him the only dictator I can think of off hand who let's anyone tell Him to go F himself. How many examples do we have of Fascist dictators of the world willingly being tortured to death just in order to give people a free choice whether or not to seek to follow them?

    If it is simply your intention to complain about hell, it is a losing proposition from the start. You cannot simply start out decrying Jesus as some kind of abusive totalitarian, only to complain that He does not control you enough. That he should force you to choose Him.

    First of all, the passage talks about how people who see Jesus hungry and feed him (vicariously) will be rewarded, and how people who see Him hungry and don't feed Him (vicariously) will be eternally punished. So really the passage does say that Christ judges you by what you do (feed Him) or do not do (do not feed Him) on Earth. Not really sure where you got the idea that the passage somehow demonstrates the opposite.
    because they are being measured by their hearts. Jesus made it quite explicit that it was ones' faith, not ones' deeds through which they were Saved.

    Anyway, that wasn't my point. My point was that Jesus will eternally punish people who don't choose to seek Him.
    not at all - they are punishing themselves by seeking themselves. the gates of hell (inasmuch as such exists in the human heart) are locked from the inside.

    you may benefit from reading an excellent short piece by the name of The Great Divorce. Certainly it would give you a better understanding of what you are trying to expound upon here.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Congrats. You just compared someone's religous beliefs to YOUR sexual conquest.
    I brought up the analogy. Panache is complaining that God does not rape, but only woos. Then he is accusing him of rape all the same. It seems he isn't quite sure precisely what he believes (in the sense of having a fully thought out internally coherent belief structure), but is rather throwing whatever makes Christianity sound sort of bad at a wall and seeing if it sticks.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I think Jesus would be too much concerned with the Kingdom of Heaven to worry overmuch about the Kingdom of Man.
    If Jesus was not concerned with the world of man then why did he ever come to earth?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Would Jesus be a Liberal?-chin-jpg

    You tell me.

    2 Thessalonians 3:10
    King James Version (KJV)

    10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

    Half of all Jesus' teachings involved money because:

    Matthew 6:21

    21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    Jesus was neither a liberal or a conservative. Both of those words are politically charged. The word "liberal" used to mean libertarian until progressives burn-up the word "progressive" and had to use a new "good" word. Then, they ran from the label "liberal" after they trashed that word. Jesus was approached by some big-time talent scouts from Athens Greece, which was the top place to be for the good life. What do you think Jesus told them?

    Yeah, you guessed it. Jesus stayed far away from anything political.

    John 3

    Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews approached Jesus and tried to flatter him. Anybody know how that went?

    Liberal and conservative? Nope.

    Have you ever looked at the difference between the words "define" and "describe?" Religion is "defined." Check the teachings of Jesus. They are all about "describing."

    Nope. Jesus was Neither a liberal or conservative.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Webb View Post
    The word "liberal" used to mean libertarian until progressives burn-up the word "progressive" and had to use a new "good" word. Then, they ran from the label "liberal" after they trashed that word. Jesus was approached by some big-time talent scouts from Athens Greece, which was the top place to be for the good life. What do you think Jesus told them?
    Classical Liberalism =/= Libertarianism

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