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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes of course.. Workers owning the means of production is stealing in your eyes how can i forget....
    How in the world would owning a factory be stealing? I think you may have me confused with someone else.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes of course.. Workers owning the means of production is stealing in your eyes how can i forget....
    not at all.

    oh. unless of course they steal it first. then yes, it is stealing.


    another good one that might guide some of our approach to political economy:

    Quote Originally Posted by 10th Commandment
    You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
    so much for class envy.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    another good one that might guide some of our approach to political economy:



    so much for class envy.
    Yea but i guess we should ignore Jesus's actually words and teachings then huh?


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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea but i guess we should ignore Jesus's actually words and teachings then huh?
    You may ignore his words and teachings if you wish. That is your right. Personally, as a Christian, I try to follow his teachings.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You may ignore his words and teachings if you wish. That is your right. Personally, as a Christian, I try to follow his teachings.
    Like some of these teachings?

    Acts 4:32-35 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

    Acts 2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need

    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

    Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

    Luke 6:20-24 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

    Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

    Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

    James 2:1-5 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?

    Luke 1:49-53 For he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts; he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.

    Matthew 25:15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.

    Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea but i guess we should ignore Jesus's actually words and teachings then huh?
    perhaps you could quote me the relevant sections where Jesus tells us to covet our neighbors' belongings, or utilizing government to redistribute resources?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Like some of these teachings?
    like all of them

    Acts 4:32-35 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
    yup. voluntary charity, baby, gotta love it. that is why, for example conservatives tend to give more to charity, despite making less money

    Acts 2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common.
    yup. you know what else we know about the church in Jerusalem? the group was impoverished, and dependent upon charity from Christian Communities elsewhere. Which those communities were happy to give.

    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
    yup. that guy trusted for his security in his possessions - and so that is what he had to give up. but i still fail to see where Jesus is telling the guy that he shouldn't be engaging in charity, but instead paying higher taxes that will go to support the poor?

    1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
    Indeed.

    Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
    that is also true. it is also more fun . and how are we to give? are we to be mandated a certain amount (say, a certain percentage of our income)?

    2 Corinthians 9: 1 There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord’s people. 2 For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. 3 But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be. 4 For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident. 5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.

    looks like you are supposed to give generously and freely. well, does that mean that we should be required to give a certain amount, or that it is good to mandate such an amount through the use of governing functions?

    2 Corinthians 9 continues: Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    huh. apparently not.

    or, perhaps, you could find for us some verses where we are commanded to give away other people's money, and then to take it from them without their will for that purpose?

    see, it's interesting because then you cite this parable:

    Matthew 25:15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.
    but you don't give it any context whatsoever. in the parable of the talents, a rich man gives his servants money to manage for him (the parable being the wealth that God has given us on this earth), and they are each rewarded or punished based on whether or not they grow it. here is the full parable:

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew 25
    14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

    19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

    21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

    22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

    23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

    24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

    26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

    28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’


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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Again. Jesus would not get involved in politics. He didn't in the Bible. They tried to involve him though...and I think that is what would happen again.


    Edit PS:

    I hate these discussions. Why do people try to put political labels on people who existed long before these titles came about? Was Washington a republican? Democrat? What about Lincoln? Ghandi? Bilbo Baggins? Sasquatch? Donald Duck? Seriously?

    People make their choices and only they know their political affiliation is. They cannot be judged and placed based upon decisions 100 years ago because times were different, thought processes, and certain understandings were different. Look at how much an individual's mind set changes as they grow older? How can you put someone in a category after they died?
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    answer: He never did. But Republicans are (somewhat and occasionally) more apt to follow the example of Lincoln (who was, after all, one of them), who argued that we should not claim God is on our side, but rather seek to be on His.

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