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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Across this board we have libertarians claiming folks dont have a right to education, healthcare, and in the voter ID thread, that folks dont have an explicit right to vote.

    Sorry, you can't actually prove whatever vapid philosophical stance on the nature of rights substantiates such positions.

    Unless you want to try right now. Theres a reason libertarian philosophies don't make it far out of the basements of libertarians...
    Can you please cite a specific reference in our constitution or bill of rights that enumerates the rights to education and health care? I would love to see that part.

    It seems that you, with your crazy ideas that education and health care are a right, are far more extreme than us in a constitutional sense.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    1) The government is not an individual the analogy is invalid
    2) the government is part of a social contract that establishes law order and civilization, the analogy is invalid
    3) the government drafts the laws and enforces them that you may not be robbed in the first place.

    You cannot make an analogy between the public burden of taxation
    and some psychotic vision where the government robs your money and gives it to me personally.
    The government is an abstraction, remember. "The government" can't do anything. "The government" can't tax people, nor can "the government" shoot people, or take their stuff.

    Only real, physical, actual people can act. If a tax is being collected, this tax is not being collected by "the government". It is being collected by people, and these people are taking another person's stuff. So, how does this particular person who is taking another's property acquire the ethical authority to do so, when if you or I did so we would be considered thieves?

    I keep asking you about the ethics of human acts, and you keep referring to the "acts" of the government, a concept that has no physical reality.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Can you please cite a specific reference in our constitution or bill of rights that enumerates the rights to education and health care? I would love to see that part.

    It seems that you, with your crazy ideas that education and health care are a right, are far more extreme than us in a constitutional sense.
    During the time of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, three centuries ago, for all practical purposes, health-care and education did not exist, particularly for the masses(farmers).
    Today, if we were to design a totally new Constitution, these and many other things would be included....otherwise we would have a people's revolution.... Maybe this is what the Librarians want.....hard to tell...

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The government is an abstraction, remember. "The government" can't do anything. "The government" can't tax people, nor can "the government" shoot people, or take their stuff.

    Only real, physical, actual people can act. If a tax is being collected, this tax is not being collected by "the government". It is being collected by people, and these people are taking another person's stuff. So, how does this particular person who is taking another's property acquire the ethical authority to do so, when if you or I did so we would be considered thieves?

    I keep asking you about the ethics of human acts, and you keep referring to the "acts" of the government, a concept that has no physical reality.
    And this is all an absolute FACT , NOT one man's opinion....lol

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Might we consider what Dorothy Gale would be if she would if she were alive today?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The government is an abstraction, remember. "The government" can't do anything. "The government" can't tax people, nor can "the government" shoot people, or take their stuff.

    Only real, physical, actual people can act. If a tax is being collected, this tax is not being collected by "the government". It is being collected by people, and these people are taking another person's stuff. So, how does this particular person who is taking another's property acquire the ethical authority to do so, when if you or I did so we would be considered thieves?

    I keep asking you about the ethics of human acts, and you keep referring to the "acts" of the government, a concept that has no physical reality.
    And as for the authority of the police?
    I assume they fit into this model of not-real authority too?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Can you please cite a specific reference in our constitution or bill of rights that enumerates the rights to education and health care? I would love to see that part.

    It seems that you, with your crazy ideas that education and health care are a right, are far more extreme than us in a constitutional sense.
    Some countries don't have constitutions or bills of rights and their rights to healthcare and education are far more secure.
    By the same rules we don't all have a 'right' to vote. But I would also be leery of making such an argument.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Jesus liberated the Jews by fullfilling the Law, the Prophets and the Writings, and the gentiles by bringing unto to the Kingdom, the Glory and the promise. Economics... give unto. Social... turn the other cheek. Ecology... love others. He ended the oppressive and hopeless legalism of the Jewish Scripture, gave freedom in forgiveness and sacrificed to our redemption.

    In what way could he be argued conservative (ok, maybe I'll read the thread to see)?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Some countries don't have constitutions or bills of rights and their rights to healthcare and education are far more secure.
    By the same rules we don't all have a 'right' to vote. But I would also be leery of making such an argument.
    You can't claim that you have a right to have your government give you something, without some kind of evidence to back it up. The constitution was designed to tell the government what it can do, everything else is by default out of it's scope of power. Therefore, by default, you don't have the right for your government to give you things like healthcare and education.

    I like pizza, do I have a right for the government to give me pizza? Or do I possess the right to go get pizza for myself?
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Might we consider what Dorothy Gale would be if she would if she were alive today?
    probably something along the lines of "I wish either I or someone else had been capable of defending me."

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