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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    How do some people (the "government") acquire the legitimate power to steal, while other don't have that power? That's what I don't understand.
    The government taxes people, and in return provides a safe environment, defense, etc..

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    A Socialist. He was all for the people.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    In what country do you live in where taxes are optional? Sounds like a magical place.
    Precisely, who would ever support an ideology where the people would not pay taxes?


    The real scenario you have to ask yourself is this:

    - Is it morally ethical for someone to come up to you, and take your wallet? What if they needed the money?
    - Is it morally ethical for a gang of 5 people to come up to you, and take your wallet? What if they needed the money?

    What about 100 people? A thousand? At what point does it become ok for a group of people to confiscate the property of another group of people? Where do you draw the line?
    I draw the line before analogising the government to a band of people victimising an individual through violence. I'll stop there.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    The government cannot steal, it is not a person.
    It can't? The government can kill, why can it not steal?
    I will provide historical references upon request.

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Precisely, who would ever support an ideology where the people would not pay taxes?
    Uh, me? Prior to 1913 we had zero income tax, and we were doing pretty well.



    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I draw the line before analogising the government to a band of people victimising an individual through violence. I'll stop there.
    Maybe you could explain how it is different? I see no difference. Perhaps you believe that all government actions are moral and of the people?

    Will the state use zero force or violence when they kick down your door and haul your ass off to jail when you don't pay your taxes?
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Taxes are voluntary. Note, as you have always paid them, would you ever not?
    The government cannot steal, it is not a person.
    It is an embodiment of the will of the people.
    The commandments apply to people, not to governments. Which is all well and good because, as you note, government's don't really exist. People exist, and it is wrong for people to steal. That would mean ALL people, including people who call themselves government. So which of us people are exempt from the commandment: Thou shalt not steal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    At what point does it become ok for a group of people to confiscate the property of another group of people?
    Um, never?
    Last edited by Centinel; 03-02-12 at 10:10 PM.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    How do some people (the "government") acquire the legitimate power to steal, while other don't have that power? That's what I don't understand.
    Yes, I am aware of what these people do. I am asking why do these people have the legitimate power to steal from others while you or I don't. What is so special about these people?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I draw the line before analogising the government to a band of people victimising an individual through violence. I'll stop there.
    Wait. I thought the government doesn't exist.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It can't? The government can kill, why can it not steal?
    It happens to print the money... I dont think it needs to steal anything.

    I will provide historical references upon request.
    I would request evidence of the US stealing from it's citizens.

    Uh, me? Prior to 1913 we had zero income tax, and we were doing pretty well.
    As a libertarian Im not surprised you're referring to a century prior as a model future.



    Maybe you could explain how it is different? I see no difference. Perhaps you believe that all government actions are moral and of the people?

    Will the state use zero force or violence when they kick down your door and haul your ass off to jail when you don't pay your taxes?[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Dumb question. Jesus wasn't a big fan of politics. Just read the Gospel of Mark.
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