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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The problem is that you are not making a differentiation between taxation and theft.
    That's because I see no distinction. If you see a distinction, please explain what it is.
    Taxation is a legitimate power of the US government.
    How do some people (the "government") acquire the legitimate power to steal, while other don't have that power? That's what I don't understand.
    Last edited by Centinel; 03-02-12 at 06:46 PM.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    That's because I see no distinction. If you see a distinction, please explain what it is.
    One is legal and one is not. taxation is legitimate and necessary for government to function while theft is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    How do some people (the "government") acquire the legitimate power to steal, while other don't have that power? That's what I don't understand.
    Oh well, if you can't tell the difference between taxation and theft, then its your problem not mine. Its obvious though.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    One is legal and one is not. taxation is legitimate and necessary for government to function while theft is not.
    Well, taxation is certainly necessary for the people in the government to do what they wish. But you haven't demonstrated, or even put forward an argument for, why it is legitimate from an ethical point of view.

    Oh well, if you can't tell the difference between taxation and theft, then its your problem not mine. Its obvious though.
    Both consist of one person taking what belongs to another. I don't see any difference, obvious or otherwise.

    The commandment says "Thou shalt not steal." I presume this commandment applies to all people, and does not excuse a certain subset of people with some sort of divine right to steal from others.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    But you haven't demonstrated, or even put forward an argument for, why it is legitimate from an ethical point of view.
    Are you.... asking someone to prove why taxation is ethical?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Are you.... asking someone to prove why taxation is ethical?
    Not exactly. What I AM doing is claiming that it's not ethical, because it violates the commandment, "Thou shalt not steal." I see no reason why certain people are exempt from the prohibition from stealing, so I can find no reason to consider taxation ethical.

    On the other hand, you seem to be claiming that it IS ethical. You are welcome to explain why some people are exempt from God's commandments if you wish, or not. It's up to you.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Jesus is a made up composite character based on several early mesopotamian myths.

    You might as well ask, would Santa Claus be a liberal? The tooth fairy?

    Hello, don't ignore that Jesus was never 'alive'... he's a made up character, a composite of serval myths.

    Notice how the story of Hercules and Jesus are so similar.

    What about Superman and Jesus? Same story.

    We humans keep recreated the same myth, the demigod son of God, born to earth parents, and growing up to sacrifice himself for us.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Not exactly. What I AM doing is claiming that it's not ethical, because it violates the commandment, "Thou shalt not steal." I see no reason why certain people are exempt from the prohibition from stealing, so I can find no reason to consider taxation ethical.
    Taxes are voluntary. Note, as you have always paid them, would you ever not?
    The government cannot steal, it is not a person.
    It is an embodiment of the will of the people.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    If Holden Caufield were alive today, what party would he be with?

    What about Captain Ahab?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If Holden Caufield were alive today, what party would he be with?

    What about Captain Ahab?
    I want them to be on MY baseball team. That's for certain.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Taxes are voluntary. Note, as you have always paid them, would you ever not?
    The government cannot steal, it is not a person.
    It is an embodiment of the will of the people.
    In what country do you live in where taxes are optional? Sounds like a magical place.
    The real scenario you have to ask yourself is this:

    - Is it morally ethical for someone to come up to you, and take your wallet? What if they needed the money?
    - Is it morally ethical for a gang of 5 people to come up to you, and take your wallet? What if they needed the money?

    What about 100 people? A thousand? At what point does it become ok for a group of people to confiscate the property of another group of people? Where do you draw the line?
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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