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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    People who don't understand the second part aren't libertarians at all. When powerless, we call them children, period. When they've acquired power, we call them autocrats.
    Or criminals.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Could you explain whats wrong with his post?
    It's him that needs to explain where he derives such an absurd observation from:

    That dirty bastard and the Chicago school of economics have been used to justify massacres across pretty much every continent.
    Friedman's first major work was published in 1962. What massacres (on every continent) used Friedman's theories as justification? I want to know what else you blame the man for BESIDES Chile. If anyone's work was abused to commit atrocities in the 20th century it was Marx, not Friedman.

    Sorry, you can't just make a causal connection between Friedman and imperialism. Please elaborate. He speaks to the issue pretty clear here:

    "There is an excellent correlation between giving society what it wants and making money, and almost no correlation between the desire to make money and how much money one makes." ~Dalio

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    If anyone's work was abused to commit atrocities in the 20th century it was Marx, not Friedman.
    Marx was not abused to the end of committing atrocities. Re-evaluate that statement.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Marx was not abused to the end of committing atrocities. Re-evaluate that statement.
    I didn't say the end was committing atrocities. His political philosophy was abused, both in the form of Stalinism and Maoism, in the two largest genocides of the 20th century. How you start with Milton Friedman is beyond me.
    "There is an excellent correlation between giving society what it wants and making money, and almost no correlation between the desire to make money and how much money one makes." ~Dalio

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    I didn't say the end was committing atrocities.
    Yes you did.

    If anyone's work was abused to commit atrocities in the 20th century it was Marx, not Friedman.
    His political philosophy was abused, both in the form of Stalinism and Maoism, in the two largest genocides of the 20th century. How you start with Milton Friedman is beyond me.
    Genocide involves mass murder towards a eugenic purpose. You must be talking about Nazi Germany.

    Perhaps re-framing your issue with Hatuey's statement in some way that makes more sense may help us address you problem with it.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Yes you did.

    Genocide involves mass murder towards a eugenic purpose. You must be talking about Nazi Germany.

    Perhaps re-framing your issue with Hatuey's statement in some way that makes more sense may help us address you problem with it.
    I'm sorry you can't make sense out of it. If you want to nitpick around the definitions of a word, go ahead. You know full well the point being made. Pointing the finger at Milton Friedman for "massacres" that occurred (on every continent) in the 20th century is baloney. You still haven't supported that claim. Especially when any case you could make would pale in comparison to the two largest "massacres" of the 20th century which occurred under leaders who perverted the Marxist-Leninist ideology. Not to mention the subsequent dictators who adopted their same perversions.

    If you want to point to Nazi Germany go ahead. I'd love to hear how you connect that with Milton Friedman. You can play semantics all you want but they are meaningless until you provide evidence for the assertion you're so tirelessly defending.

    I put the word massacres in quotes for you. You can substitute it with whatever word you see fit.
    "There is an excellent correlation between giving society what it wants and making money, and almost no correlation between the desire to make money and how much money one makes." ~Dalio

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I think Jesus would be too much concerned with the Kingdom of Heaven to worry overmuch about the Kingdom of Man.
    You don't think he worries about both? I would think he does...

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I suspect he'd be a libertarian.
    But a left wing, right wing, or moderate libertarian?

    I would think that he believes in some type of Christian concept of socialism and sharing wealth, resources, and food for the greater good of humanity. I am not saying Jesus was a Soviet communist and would support forced socialism. Jesus didn't win anybody over with a sword or with force. I am saying that Christianity seems to value compassion, quality of life, and equality in human worth over blaming the poor, believing poverty is justified, or the message that children or anybody lacking health care is fair.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    But a left wing, right wing, or moderate libertarian?

    I would think that he believes in some type of Christian concept of socialism and sharing wealth, resources, and food for the greater good of humanity. I am not saying Jesus was a Soviet communist and would support forced socialism. Jesus didn't win anybody over with a sword or with force. I am saying that Christianity seems to value compassion, quality of life, and equality in human worth over blaming the poor, believing poverty is justified, or the message that children or anybody lacking health care is fair.
    No wonder you oppose libertarianism, if that's what you think it is. Strawman.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    I'm sorry you can't make sense out of it. If you want to nitpick around the definitions of a word, go ahead. You know full well the point being made.
    As of yet you haven't expressed any 'point' as you haven't said anything logically valid.

    Pointing the finger at Milton Friedman for "massacres" that occurred (on every continent) in the 20th century is baloney.
    Perhaps...

    You still haven't supported that claim. Especially when any case you could make would pale in comparison to the two largest "massacres" of the 20th century which occurred under leaders who perverted the Marxist-Leninist ideology. Not to mention the subsequent dictators who adopted their same perversions.
    I never made that claim. Somehow I feel more people died to German fascism though.

    If you want to point to Nazi Germany go ahead. I'd love to hear how you connect that with Milton Friedman. You can play semantics all you want but they are meaningless until you provide evidence for the assertion you're so tirelessly defending.
    What assertion, I never made any, I was asking you to explain why Hatuey's statement was wrong. Now you are assigning his statement to me because you couldn't make valid arguments about communism. As if shrugging off 'total deaths' to communism makes a case for looking over capitalism's transgressions in the first place.

    I put the word massacres in quotes for you. You can substitute it with whatever word you see fit.
    Well 'Communism' 'Stalinism' and 'Maosim' are not massacres in any way they're political regimes or ideologies.

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