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Thread: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I'd say the more childish libertarians, anyway. there are certainly some more mature libertarians who do realize other people exist.


    As far as I'm concerned, much of the art of politics involves the reconciliation between two distinct needs -- that of the individual's self expression and that of the community. Since we cannot survive as a species unless we cooperate with each other, then obviously the more extreme libertarian views are counterproductive as they do not take into consideration the needs of the community with sufficient commitment. Still, since we are individuals with individual needs, our ability to seek out our own path should be considered.

    It's like the old adage that my right to swing my fist extends only so far as your nose in that the less mature libertarians really only understand the first part of the equation and not the second.
    People who don't understand the second part aren't libertarians at all. When powerless, we call them children, period. When they've acquired power, we call them autocrats.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't think humanity's main problem is a lack of resources to meet basic needs. There is enough food on this planet to feed everybody. The problem is the distribution.
    We will outgrow our ability to meet demand without any natural stops in place. We already have mass food production and distribution, but with the methods we've used to increase production, we've lost quality. The quality of foods most people eat today is poor compared to just 100 years ago.

    The other problem is that with everyone being adequately fed, and guaranteed a subsistent life, they will keep breeding more mouths to feed, and human lifespans are increasing. We could easily outgrow our capacity to produce.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Oh, and just for the record:

    The quote above is from "Some Answered Questions" by Abdul-Baha.

    Abdul-Baha was maybe "the Peter of the Baha'i": Baha'u'llah founded the Baha'i religion in the 19th century and he is, like Abraham, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed, considered a "manifestation of God", a prophet who received a divine revelation. Abdul-Baha was his son and was given the authority to lead the community and interpret the scriptures after Baha'u'llahs passed away. His scriptures are part of the Baha'i canon.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Oh, and just for the record:

    The quote above is from "Some Answered Questions" by Abdul-Baha.

    Abdul-Baha was maybe "the Peter of the Baha'i": Baha'u'llah founded the Baha'i religion in the 19th century and he is, like Abraham, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed, considered a "manifestation of God", a prophet who received a divine revelation. Abdul-Baha was his son and was given the authority to lead the community and interpret the scriptures after Baha'u'llahs passed away. His scriptures are part of the Baha'i canon.
    Yeah- I googled it a couple of days ago.
    Thanks! (actually, I was googling another subject, and the one of Baha'i popped up. )
    Last edited by lizzie; 03-01-12 at 12:02 AM.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We will outgrow our ability to meet demand without any natural stops in place. We already have mass food production and distribution, but with the methods we've used to increase production, we've lost quality. The quality of foods most people eat today is poor compared to just 100 years ago.

    The other problem is that with everyone being adequately fed, and guaranteed a subsistent life, they will keep breeding more mouths to feed, and human lifespans are increasing. We could easily outgrow our capacity to produce.
    That's certainly true, and neither religious morals nor laws can prevent people from starving when there is simply not enough food.

    But getting back on topic, what I read out of these scriptures is that Baha'i oppose laws that aim at imposing absolute equality, but support laws that put a limit to immoderate, irresponsible accumulation of wealth by private individuals. The details are up to debate.

    I guess you could justify a progressive tax that way, for example. Or regulation of the finance sector.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If Jesus Christ were alive today, would he be a liberal, conservative, or something else? Why?
    Something else.

    Staunch pro-life advocate, fiscally responsible, encourages militant warfare when necessary - always with the effort to win, but opposes violence in general. Supports freedom and individuality as well as creativity but expects those born with certain issues to just suffer.
    Classic Conservative/Republican here.

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    Supports those who even don't believe in him, believes all children are born good, anti-discrimination, pro-free education for all, willing to sacrifice self and others for sake of own salvation, believes cross cultural communication is key in life
    Classic Liberal/Democratic views.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Sadly, it's a little reflecting of this place when I see so many replying in the affirmative: "liberal."
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Render unto Ceasar, camel-needle-rich man, blessed are the meek, etc.

    Whether or not he would be, conservative hacks would label him as such.
    Libbos would label him as a homophobe and an Islamophobe.

    Oh, and a warmonger, too.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    But getting back on topic, what I read out of these scriptures is that Baha'i oppose laws that aim at imposing absolute equality, but support laws that put a limit to immoderate, irresponsible accumulation of wealth by private individuals. The details are up to debate.

    I guess you could justify a progressive tax that way, for example. Or regulation of the finance sector.
    To the bolded:
    You could to a certain extent, until taxation becomes a disincentive to produce. This is the inherent flaw with a communist or socialist-type system imo. It's human nature to want to keep what one achieves by one's own merits.
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    Re: Would Jesus be a Liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Libbos would label him as a homophobe and an Islamophobe.

    Oh, and a warmonger, too.
    1) Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality, at least according to the New Testament.

    2) Jesus existed 600 years before Islam came around.

    3) Jesus never really took up arms against anyone.

    So your accusations are completely baseless.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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