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Would Jesus be a Liberal?

Which of these political leans would Jesus be?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 40 44.0%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 13.2%
  • Moderate

    Votes: 7 7.7%
  • Potato

    Votes: 32 35.2%

  • Total voters
    91
I like pizza, do I have a right for the government to give me pizza? Or do I possess the right to go get pizza for myself?

wait... are you saying that rich people are denying you the right to pizza by not funding it?


my God - quick, someone call Al Sharpton!
 
You can't claim that you have a right to have your government give you something, without some kind of evidence to back it up. The constitution was designed to tell the government what it can do, everything else is by default out of it's scope of power. Therefore, by default, you don't have the right for your government to give you things like healthcare and education.

I like pizza, do I have a right for the government to give me pizza? Or do I possess the right to go get pizza for myself?


Illegal immigration is murder
education is pizza
contraception is subsidized prostitution

You can't claim that you have a right to have your government give you something, without some kind of evidence to back it up.

How did civil rights happen?
Suffrage?
 
No... I'm reiterating common arguments I hear, new guy.

You can dodge civil rights and suffrage if you want.

Actually he doesn't need to dodge it. Comparing education to equal access to rights is a failure on your part.
 
Was this really an answer? Or are you just randomly babbling?

that's not important, apparently he's willing to say meaningless things - get a We Demand Equal Pizza For Equal Existence Now poster in his hands right away!




"weeee shall overrrrcoommmmmmmeee...."
 
Yep ... imho the character portrayed as Jesus was the ultimate liberal ... He was open and loving. Environmental stewardship would be important and he would stand against accumulating masses of wealth at cost to others lives or health without social balance as greedy .

He would stand against personal judging of others or following strict traditional views that left some people excluded.

Yet ... keep in mind he would disapprove of anyone playing anyone ... from corporate welfare to grifters misusing systems in place to serve others in need as wrongfully using the life of others.

I doubt he would be a member of a political party ... yet as far as belief systems Jesus was a liberal.





That is just a few of my thoughts on a drive by post.
 
Yep ... imho the character portrayed as Jesus was the ultimate liberal ... He was open and loving. Environmental stewardship would be important and he would stand against accumulating masses of wealth at cost to others lives or health without social balance as greedy .

He would stand against personal judging of others or following strict traditional views that left some people excluded.

Yet ... keep in mind he would disapprove of anyone playing anyone ... from corporate welfare to grifters misusing systems in place to serve others in need as wrongfully using the life of others.

I doubt he would be a member of a political party ... yet as far as belief systems Jesus was a liberal.





That is just a few of my thoughts on a drive by post.

Jesus was a totalitarian fascist. He demands a one party totalitarian State with absolute and unyielding authority over every aspect of its citizens lives, and intends to establish such a state through force of arms.

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

*12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

*13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

*14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

*15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

*16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. - Rev 19:11-16

Does that sound like the 'ultimate liberal' to you?
 
Anyone who can magically create fish and wine would probably have a **** understanding of economic policies. Ergo, he must have been a (insert name of political party you don't want to be affiliated with here).
 
Jesus was a totalitarian fascist. He demands a one party totalitarian State with absolute and unyielding authority over every aspect of its citizens lives, and intends to establish such a state through force of arms.

hmmm. interesting how you repeat the point, ignoring it's earlier deconstruction.

Fascists, for example, do not give you a choice whether or not to bow the knee. God not only grants you Choice, He grants you a freedom in it not granted to any other creation than that of the Angels themselves. The only ones who seek His will and live in it are those who CHOOSE to do so. It is not He that rejects you, it is you that reject Him, and your only punishment for doing so is that you are left free to do so. Nor (again, I point this out) is there any law in Heaven, for the simple enough reason that it is completely unneeded.

:roll: how old are you?







...Incidentally, in the symbology of the New Testament, the Sword is the Word of God = more literally it is the Scripture itself. The author was likely picking up on some of Pauls' writings, where he discusses the symbology of the Armor of God. People who take Revelantions and attempt to make it strait literal rather than applying the assumptions with which it was written (both Christians and otherwise) are failing, I think, to grasp it. It is.... well, an incredibly difficult and complex document. Think Shakespeare's gift with language, but Shakespear if he'd been forced to right in other than his native tongue.
 
Anyone who can magically create fish and wine would probably have a **** understanding of economic policies.

why would there be economic policies in a life where there is no scarcity? economics depends upon scarcity to define and give it existance.
 
During the time of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, three centuries ago, for all practical purposes, health-care and education did not exist, particularly for the masses(farmers).
Today, if we were to design a totally new Constitution, these and many other things would be included....otherwise we would have a people's revolution.... Maybe this is what the Librarians want.....hard to tell...
- Did you just say that if we were to design a new constitution today, we would include a right to education and health care, and because of this, that's why we currently have these rights? Outstanding.
- I don't care what librarians want.
 
why would there be economic policies in a life where there is no scarcity? economics depends upon scarcity to define and give it existance.

Thank you for demonstrating why the premise of my joke works. :lol:
 
hmmm. interesting how you repeat the point, ignoring it's earlier deconstruction.

Fascists, for example, do not give you a choice whether or not to bow the knee. .

Yes they do. They give you the choice to either bow the knee or be shot in the head. More generous in my opinion than the choice to either bow the knee or suffer eternal torment in a lake of fire.

God not only grants you Choice, He grants you a freedom in it not granted to any other creation than that of the Angels themselves. The only ones who seek His will and live in it are those who CHOOSE to do so. It is not He that rejects you, it is you that reject Him, and your only punishment for doing so is that you are left free to do so.

"***44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

***45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

***46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

How old are you?

How is that relevent?
 
During the time of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, three centuries ago, for all practical purposes, health-care and education did not exist, particularly for the masses(farmers).

Government healthcare and public education existed before any of the founders were born.
 
Funny how people just ignore the bible and the actual teachings and words of Jesus....
 
Yes they do. They give you the choice to either bow the knee or be shot in the head.

That is incorrect. Christ gives you the choice between seeking Him or not doing so. Christians are nowhere ordered to attempt to force the choice, or to take any action against those who refuse other than the explicit order that we are to love them, even if they then do us the most grievous forms of harm. That is not to say that Christians have never broken that law, but simply to point out that them doing so is in contradiction to the dictates of their faith. I think you are thinking of Islam. Which does indeed have a rather different approach at current.

"***44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

***45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

***46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

precisely. it's not your works - and thank God (quite literally) that it isn't.

but this makes precisely the opposite of the point that you are trying to make; namely you are arguing that Christ judges you by what you do or do not do on earth, much as a dictatorship would - whereas this citation rather demonstrates the opposite.

It's a rough analogy, but you are basically looking at the differences between a couple making love and a violent rape, and concluding that because both involve sexuality, there must be an equal presence of consent on both parties.

You still have, for example, yet to explain how fascism can exist stripped of all the things that identify it as "fascism". In Heaven there is no large welfare state, for the simple enough reason that there is no need for welfare. There is no martial law, for the simple enough reason that there is no crime. fascism involves (among other things) placing the origin of the eschaton in the corporate personhood of the State; which not only isn't present in Heaven, but is indeed idol-worship.

National Socialism? There is neither Nationalism (for all are together and loved and love each other in Christ Jesus) nor Socialism (for there is no scarcity, but only ever present abundance) in the Kingdom of Heaven. Ideologies such as Fascism, Socialism, Conservatism, do not exist - they are limited, earth-bound creations of man, built upon sand, and doomed as surely as the sun, though they shall not last nearly as long.

How is that relevent?

because you sound like you are still rebelling against your parents. "oh gosh well Christians are all just fascists" is the kind of thing that particularly foolish psuedo-intellectual high school and college students like to say because they get a thrill from sounding jaded, cynical, and rebellious, but which they lack the ability to adequately defend. If that's you, that's fine, most of us go through the phase where we have not yet learned enough not to mistake cynicism for wisdom, and outlandishness for truth. You will note, for example, that the only argument you can make is the existence of Hell, from which you surmise that Christianity is an abusive dictatorship. But that is silly - because Christ is also quite clear that he would frankly prefer that no one go there. Was willing to be tortured to death just to give everyone the option of escaping it, in fact. You apparently have little to no actual awareness of the specific platforms of Fascist ideology, and little enough awareness of Christian theology.
 
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Yes of course.. Workers owning the means of production is stealing in your eyes how can i forget.... :roll:

If they are doing it with willing members outside of government intervention I doubt anyone would have a problem with it.
 
Yes of course.. Workers owning the means of production is stealing in your eyes how can i forget.... :roll:
How in the world would owning a factory be stealing? I think you may have me confused with someone else.
 
Yes of course.. Workers owning the means of production is stealing in your eyes how can i forget.... :roll:

not at all.

oh. unless of course they steal it first. then yes, it is stealing.


another good one that might guide some of our approach to political economy:

10th Commandment said:
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

so much for class envy.
 
another good one that might guide some of our approach to political economy:



so much for class envy.

Yea but i guess we should ignore Jesus's actually words and teachings then huh?
 
Yea but i guess we should ignore Jesus's actually words and teachings then huh?
You may ignore his words and teachings if you wish. That is your right. Personally, as a Christian, I try to follow his teachings.
 
You may ignore his words and teachings if you wish. That is your right. Personally, as a Christian, I try to follow his teachings.

Like some of these teachings?

Acts 4:32-35 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

Acts 2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Luke 6:20-24 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

James 2:1-5 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?

Luke 1:49-53 For he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts; he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.

Matthew 25:15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.

Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
 
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