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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You seem to be assuming Rich v Poor here but the title includes the middle-class where survival pressure is much lower than in 'poor' situations. I won't condemn a man for stealing food if he doesn't have the means to procure it legally but a man stealing an apple when he has money to pay for it is being unethical.
    Maybe I should have said "More or less ethical than any other socio-economic grouping of bepedal humanoids..."

    But I do agree in principle. Theft for survival is one thing, but stealing TV's in the aftermath of Katrina had nothing to do with survival. I had little issue with the people stealing food to survive in that situation.
    Beating the snot out of a prostitute to maintain your dominance over her has nothing to do with survival. Stealing office supplies from your workplace is not a means of survival.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Within 48 hours of Hurricane Katrina my brothers sent two flatbed tractor trailers to New Orleans filled with diapers, food, tents, medicine, generators, fuel etc..

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Within 48 hours of Hurricane Katrina my brothers sent two flatbed tractor trailers to New Orleans filled with diapers, food, tents, medicine, generators, fuel etc..
    That's a faster response than FEMA! *thumbs up*

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    But I do agree in principle. Theft for survival is one thing, but stealing TV's in the aftermath of Katrina had nothing to do with survival. I had little issue with the people stealing food to survive in that situation.
    Beating the snot out of a prostitute to maintain your dominance over her has nothing to do with survival. Stealing office supplies from your workplace is not a means of survival.
    Agreed.

    I also look at society as a whole, too. When your boss is stealing it's more tempting to steal, yourself. So, when we see people that are already rich, like Madoff, ripping people off for even more money then stealing a $0.10 pen doesn't seem like much of a big deal. I'm not saying it's right - far from it - just saying it's a factor. Our capitalist system tends to paint CEO's and other businesses people as "leaders", and we often call them "business leaders" and "captains of industry" or whatever. There seems to be a human tendency to imitate leaders. Thank goodness not all of us have it.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    money can change them so they become more unethical ,especially men may turn into a monster reluctantly !

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Another lame attempt to create a pseudo moral imperative to control what others earn. I'm sure the 99%'s will jump all over this.
    I have no problem with what someone else EARNS. At this point in my life I am not envious of what any other man has. I have a problem with what people in power grant themselves that a) they didn't earn and b) they don't need.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    tidbit I had earlier forgotten, but is worth noting. In "The Millionaire Mind", the authors polled set after set after set of American Millionaires to determine outlier characteristics in that subset of American society. Under the questionaires designed to determine what millionaires believed had helped them the most in their achieval of success, the number one characteristic was "Integrity". "Social Skills" and "Hard Work" both scored in the top five, but below Integrity.



    Which is perhaps to be suspected. One of the many benefits of a freer market is that it tends to provide greater financial rewards for morally positive behavior than alternatives.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    tidbit I had earlier forgotten, but is worth noting. In "The Millionaire Mind", the authors polled set after set after set of American Millionaires to determine outlier characteristics in that subset of American society. Under the questionaires designed to determine what millionaires believed had helped them the most in their achieval of success, the number one characteristic was "Integrity". "Social Skills" and "Hard Work" both scored in the top five, but below Integrity.



    Which is perhaps to be suspected.
    American workers seldom put pay at the top of their list for job satisfaction, either, but start underpaying your people by $5 an hour or more and see what happens. Few people have an honest view of themselves.


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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Few people have an honest view of themselves.
    Amen, I thought the same thing when I read cpwill's post.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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