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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I doubt that the rich are actually more unethical, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a little smarter (generally) and able to bend the rules for their advantage. That being said, the linked study indicates that self-interest is the same thing as greed, which I don't buy into. Self-interest is a normal human impulse.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    one becomes greatly wealthy, by taking big risks.

    and when you feel you're able to take such a bet and win over & over, its much easier to contemplate committing crimes.
    The prison population tells a different story.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The prison population tells a different story.
    It could just as well prove his point. The wealthy rarely go to prison. And when they do, the prison is often nicer.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Certainly it's unfair to the rich folk in general are "unethical" in a general sense.

    Money has been known to make certain people greedy, immoral and at worst sociopathic. On the other hand, the very rich have also put vast sums of money towards the betterment of humanity.

    It's more the person than the money, but money is power, and power can corrupt.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It could just as well prove his point. The wealthy rarely go to prison. And when they do, the prison is often nicer.
    He was attempting to correlate the wealth of an individual to a propensity for criminal activity. Unless the vast majority of rich folks are criminals and have not been outed yet, the prison population tells a completely different story.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    I have not read this thread, so I do not know if this has been brought up, but....

    It is not necessarily that the rich are more unethical, but rather they have more opportunity and more temptation to act unethically. Underlying this which could also skew the data is that people who act unethically are potentially more likely to become rich (and no I am not saying that rich people are unethical, just that if you act unethically the road to becoming rich can be easier). This also varies on what is defined as "Rich".
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I have not read this thread, so I do not know if this has been brought up, but....

    It is not necessarily that the rich are more unethical, but rather they have more opportunity and more temptation to act unethically. Underlying this which could also skew the data is that people who act unethically are potentially more likely to become rich (and no I am not saying that rich people are unethical, just that if you act unethically the road to becoming rich can be easier). This also varies on what is defined as "Rich".
    SO, do you define ignoring laws as unethical behavior?
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    SO, do you define ignoring laws as unethical behavior?
    no. laws do not define ethics. They are separate entities and it is possible for a law itself to be unethical.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    no. laws do not define ethics. They are separate entities and it is possible for a law itself to be unethical.
    Personally, I disagree. Ignoring a law or standard is unethical, in my definition.
    I do agree that some laws themselves are unethical.

    This entire debate is flawed until an agreed upon definition of "Unethical" is supplied.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Personally, I disagree. Ignoring a law or standard is unethical, in my definition.
    I do agree that some laws themselves are unethical.

    This entire debate is flawed until an agreed upon definition of "Unethical" is supplied.

    Well there are two basic definitions ..one that is based on an overall sense of right and wrong -which can be subjective, and is more fluid, and another that pertains to the rules and regulations governing a profession.

    I view ethics more as an (admittedly subjective) adherence to doing what is right. Ethics supersedes the law IMO, and while the law often mirrors what is ethically right or wrong, and often serves as a guideline, and in many cases seeks to define ethics, it is too absolute and inflexible. I cannot think of a good hypothetical, but there can be gray areas where the more ethical road could potentially involve not following a particular law. In general not breaking the law is ethical behavior, but in those gray areas where following the law goes against your sense of right and wrong, or where the law itself is unethical (as you yourself admit can be the case), then it is possible that the ethical path is NOT following the law.

    The article did kind of define ethical as the subjective definition i am using when it mentions lying and cheating, and from the experiments conducted and questions posed (granted I am not referencing the actual study) such as cutting off other cars, or not pointing out a cashiers error I also get the impression that they were driving at the former more subjective definition as well.

    YMMV
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