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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't agree with the OP. If one is talking about Federal income tax, then I think the rich tend to bend the rules. Most other things? Not so much. Money solves a lot of problems, and one of them is allowing people to be personally responsible for their wrong-doing without breaking the bank. I think they're much less likely to try to return something they've purchased when it doesn't concur with store policy...less likely to leave the scene of an accident...lie about how it happened...take something that doesn't belong to them...misrepresent their income...not take responsibility for damage their kids may do...that kind of thing.

    The rich use the tax rules in their favor to avoid paying less just like 50% of households are using the tax rules in their favor to avoid paying any federal income tax.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The rich use the tax rules in their favor to avoid paying less just like 50% of households are using the tax rules in their favor to avoid paying any federal income tax.
    Yes, that clever scam of "being really poor" to get out of paying an income tax. Genius!

    I'm honestly shocked that this is even a question. Of COURSE the people who have the most wealth and power had to hurt other people and break rules to get it. It takes some really slimy things to get that much wealth and power in the first place. All those politicians on TV that we spend so much time complaining about. They're lying to us constantly, and we all know it. How many of us, who are not wealthy and powerful, are that okay with deceiving people? Or taking bribes in the form of campaign contributions? How many of us could do like Mitt Romney and fire thousands of people in order to make stock prices go up? How many of us would be okay with building wealth based on selling items made in terrible working conditions in the third world? How many of us are willing to pollute willy nilly in order to get rich? I would imagine that the answers to these questions are "very few of us". Serious wealth and power requires some pretty heinous actions.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yes, that clever scam of "being really poor" to get out of paying an income tax. Genius!
    The national average household mediam income is around 50,000.That is not poor.,Maybe in places like New York or California where the cost of living is absurdly high it is poor. It still does not effect my point that people in every income tax brack exploits the loop holes to benifit themselves. The fact is a family household make 50K or less using the tax code to go from paying 10-15%taxes to 0% in taxes is no different than someone who makes 50 million using the tax code to go from paying 35% in taxes to 25-20% in taxes.All this bitching and whining over the rich not paying more is nothing more than class warfare by the green with envy crowd and the filthy rich politicians trying to exploit these suckers for votes.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yes, that clever scam of "being really poor" to get out of paying an income tax. Genius!

    I'm honestly shocked that this is even a question. Of COURSE the people who have the most wealth and power had to hurt other people and break rules to get it. It takes some really slimy things to get that much wealth and power in the first place. All those politicians on TV that we spend so much time complaining about. They're lying to us constantly, and we all know it. How many of us, who are not wealthy and powerful, are that okay with deceiving people? Or taking bribes in the form of campaign contributions? How many of us could do like Mitt Romney and fire thousands of people in order to make stock prices go up? How many of us would be okay with building wealth based on selling items made in terrible working conditions in the third world? How many of us are willing to pollute willy nilly in order to get rich? I would imagine that the answers to these questions are "very few of us". Serious wealth and power requires some pretty heinous actions.
    Here is a list of the top 400 richest people in the US:

    The Richest People in America List - Forbes

    Rather than smear everyone with a penny more than you, explain to me who these people hurt and what rules they broke in order to get the wealth they have.

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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Osama was a very rich man.
    I know. I was just trying to think of the opposite of Mother Theresa.


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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Osama was a very rich man.
    Yeah, Osama was definetely a 1 percenter lol.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    great wealth, brings a great sense of entitlement.

    its like the whole Pre-Destination thing. Rich folks are that way, because they were supposed to be that way. Such attitudes lead to feelings of being special.
    funny though - because I've heard that exact same thing said about the poor who are on welfare.

    How can the poor and reliant and rich and self sufficient both have this same view?

    Is that saying that those in the middle don't ever think this way?
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    I doubt that the rich are actually more unethical, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a little smarter (generally) and able to bend the rules for their advantage. That being said, the linked study indicates that self-interest is the same thing as greed, which I don't buy into. Self-interest is a normal human impulse.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yes, that clever scam of "being really poor" to get out of paying an income tax. Genius!

    I'm honestly shocked that this is even a question. Of COURSE the people who have the most wealth and power had to hurt other people and break rules to get it. It takes some really slimy things to get that much wealth and power in the first place. All those politicians on TV that we spend so much time complaining about. They're lying to us constantly, and we all know it. How many of us, who are not wealthy and powerful, are that okay with deceiving people? Or taking bribes in the form of campaign contributions? How many of us could do like Mitt Romney and fire thousands of people in order to make stock prices go up? How many of us would be okay with building wealth based on selling items made in terrible working conditions in the third world? How many of us are willing to pollute willy nilly in order to get rich? I would imagine that the answers to these questions are "very few of us". Serious wealth and power requires some pretty heinous actions.
    I think its a mistake to generalize all rich people into these categories. I would say people such as mega ranch owners in Texas or something like that make an honest living and get rich doing it. A guy getting up at 4am to work and not stopping until 8pm is someone who earned his money IMO.
    However, shockingly, I do agree with you that many politicians are bought off before we even cast a vote. I've been trying to find somewhere to fit this in a debate and I guess this is as good as any. Something that struck me from the GOP debate the other night, and infuriated me, was the part about Santorum endorsing Arlen Specter (D) because he said he would vote for W Bush's SCOTUS nominees if he did. Later that night, Specter released a press statement that never happened and Santorum is lying. What the heck man? Obviously, someone is lying here. Perfect example of why we don't trust politicians. Sorry, that was totally off subject but I've been holding that in for days.
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    Re: Are the Rich more unethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    funny though - because I've heard that exact same thing said about the poor who are on welfare.

    How can the poor and reliant and rich and self sufficient both have this same view?

    Is that saying that those in the middle don't ever think this way?
    If a system can be played, someone will play it. It works with the rich as well as the poor. What I most often have a problem with is that too many conservatives only see it in the most poor and not in the wealthy.

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