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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course we are mostly the same. People all across the world want the same things. We want comfort, security, freedom... all of that. We want to live our lives free from fear, free from the control of others. We want to love and be loved. And we're all afraid of the same things.

    That's the difference between cultures with democracies and those without. It comes from people trusting each other, putting aside their differences and working together. That doesn't come from where in the world you live, or anyone's stupid religious bullcrap. There is nothing fundamentally different about us, about Iranians, about Taiwanese, about Aboriginal tribes in Australia, Brasilians (I hang around so many of them that I spell it their way :p)... white people, black people, Hispanics, Asians, Jew, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, all of us!

    Every moron who struts around thinking that their country, or their culture is magically superior... that person is part of the problem, and not part of the solution. We make progress by helping each other, not by looking down on each other, and especially not hurting each other. Don't forget, we in the west have been trampling on the Middle East and twisting its politics, its nations, and its people for our own ends for most of the last century. Until we own up to our mistakes and focus on making things better, all we're going to do is make things worse.

    Well, from my view, the West, us, has been waging resource wars in the MidEast and Iran has OIL. Our CIA is chartered to work for USA Corporations overseas, including stirring the pot to get the available resources into the US controlled distribution networks. That would be bananas and sugar cane from Latin America, coffee and cocaine from Colombia, oil/gas from Iraq, oil/gas from Libya, and to repeat, ad infinitum. The people of the US are wonderful and naive. They actually believe the Mighty Wurlitzer background themes. As if wmds, muslims, ayatollahs, nukes, and 60 million people in Iran just trying to feed their babies, just like us, has anything to do with reality.

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Reckless rush to war....How many years must we impose sanctions and try diplomacy before it is no longer considered a "reckless rush to war"?
    We need to pray for a brokered GOP convention where they select Jeb Bush as the nominee. After Jeb Bush is elected president, he can get valuable advice on middle east foreign policy from Cheney.

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    what gibbering madness may look like

    Thought provoking ... do you agree or disagree ... comments?

    Are we going to saber rattle over Iran ...? I might reconsider Ron Paul if her were not so crazy on some of the the domestic issues.
    I agree wholeheartedly with that quote.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Well, from my view, the West, us, has been waging resource wars in the MidEast and Iran has OIL. Our CIA is chartered to work for USA Corporations overseas, including stirring the pot to get the available resources into the US controlled distribution networks. That would be bananas and sugar cane from Latin America, coffee and cocaine from Colombia, oil/gas from Iraq, oil/gas from Libya, and to repeat, ad infinitum. The people of the US are wonderful and naive. They actually believe the Mighty Wurlitzer background themes. As if wmds, muslims, ayatollahs, nukes, and 60 million people in Iran just trying to feed their babies, just like us, has anything to do with reality.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    From the op:
    Democracy is a social evolution. It is something cultural. Iranians, they have become much more secular, and they are ready for democracy

    At one point, this was true. In the 70's Iran looked much more secular collectively. What has happened (it appears to me), is that there has been a divergence in the population, with some of it become more islamic extremist, and some of the people remaining more westernized in appearance and culture. I suspect this has to do with western intervention in that part of the world, unfortunately.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Since when has an embassy ever been required to use diplomacy?
    I believe the tradition started in the 1600s.

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

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    I agree that liberal-democracy is not something that can instantaneously occur in any particular culture. I also think that this is obvious given the radical cultural differences between the East and the West. I disagree, however, on the account that Western liberal-democracy is an end result, i.e. the final stage of social evolution, or "Progress" with a capital P. Again, cultural norms and customs can have strong affects on distinct political practices (i.e. political pluralism), hence valuing the imperialist implementation of Western liberal-democratic values onto Eastern society is insensitive and impractical.

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
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    I agree that liberal-democracy is not something that can instantaneously occur in any particular culture. I also think that this is obvious given the radical cultural differences between the East and the West. I disagree, however, on the account that Western liberal-democracy is an end result, i.e. the final stage of social evolution, or "Progress" with a capital P. Again, cultural norms and customs can have strong affects on distinct political practices (i.e. political pluralism), hence valuing the imperialist implementation of Western liberal-democratic values onto Eastern society is insensitive and impractical.
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