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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Wouldn't it be silly if we did something really really really bad to them in the past that we don't talk about.... ever? And that's why they're angry?
    You mean like seizing their embassy and keeping the staff hostage for 444 days? Boy, I'd be pissed!

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    This person is living a utopian dream.

    The following statement has no basis in reality:

    If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    what gibbering madness may look like

    Thought provoking ... do you agree or disagree ... comments?

    Are we going to saber rattle over Iran ...? I might reconsider Ron Paul if her were not so crazy on some of the the domestic issues.
    I completely agree. Some cultures and handle democracy but most cannot. There is a definite difference in maturity when it comes to societies.

    Even as a society matures, there will always be throwbacks to inferior ways of life. However in the case of Iran, I don't believe that they are at the tipping point yet. The internet is certainly speeding it along, but in my guess, its probably going to be another decade before they are ready. The youth need greater numbers, more governing experience, and more societal power and institutions that are their own before they can make a smooth transition.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    You mean like seizing their embassy and keeping the staff hostage for 444 days? Boy, I'd be pissed!
    Totally, I'dve just ****in killed em all and let em **** the sand in the air if they replaced my government.

    I completely agree. Some cultures and handle democracy but most cannot. There is a definite difference in maturity when it comes to societies.
    I can't wait till America can handle democracy.

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    The US tries diplomacy?

    We don't have an embassy.
    Since when has an embassy ever been required to use diplomacy?
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    I answered 'Agree', because the question is one of comparing magnitudes. Not a question of the governments being effectively the same, as they are not. (Sorry, again, I'm a retired design engineer.)

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Of course we are mostly the same. People all across the world want the same things. We want comfort, security, freedom... all of that. We want to live our lives free from fear, free from the control of others. We want to love and be loved. And we're all afraid of the same things.

    That's the difference between cultures with democracies and those without. It comes from people trusting each other, putting aside their differences and working together. That doesn't come from where in the world you live, or anyone's stupid religious bullcrap. There is nothing fundamentally different about us, about Iranians, about Taiwanese, about Aboriginal tribes in Australia, Brasilians (I hang around so many of them that I spell it their way :p)... white people, black people, Hispanics, Asians, Jew, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, all of us!

    Every moron who struts around thinking that their country, or their culture is magically superior... that person is part of the problem, and not part of the solution. We make progress by helping each other, not by looking down on each other, and especially not hurting each other. Don't forget, we in the west have been trampling on the Middle East and twisting its politics, its nations, and its people for our own ends for most of the last century. Until we own up to our mistakes and focus on making things better, all we're going to do is make things worse.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    I agree with it. You cannot impose democracy on a people, they have to adopt it for themselves. What we did in Iraq will likely come back to bite us. We can't make them democratic in the long term, we can set up the systems, put people in place to whisper the right things in their ears, but if they don't embrace it on their own and change their way of thinking on their own, it will never last. Iran is the same way. We can show them the way, we can show them the benefits, but we can't make them take that path. So far, they have not. I don't know that most of the Middle East will ever take that path because they're so utterly mired in religious dogma that they cannot accept a non-religious government.

    Maybe some day, not right now.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    btw, Dion, it would have been nice if you had given the direct link to the site you got your quote from, don't you think?

    Sexual revolutionaries - Salon.com
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    btw, Dion, it would have been nice if you had given the direct link to the site you got your quote from, don't you think?

    Sexual revolutionaries - Salon.com
    Oh ... The quote was sent to me with the author so I sited and credited the author. I just read the article and interesting and surprising to me actually. Non political yet ... kind of a culture shock!

    Thanks!

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