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  • you can be a liberal and be a christian

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  • you can be nonpolitical and be a christian

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  • you can be a libertarian and be a christian

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  • you can be a fascist and be a christian

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  • you can be a socialist and be a christian

    17 85.00%
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    Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Ok,
    Given this quote, what is your view

    Santorum Question 4: Is Obama a sincere, liberal Christian? OCRPL

    (4) QUESTION: What would your opinion be of this stance: Obama has been very honest in the past about his faith. He said he was attracted to the church because of its non-literal approach to the Bible. Now that’s coming through Wright. His speech before the United Church of Christ, he very much embraced the basic theological approach of the United Church of Christ. So you could say that he is a very sincere, liberal Christian, with a non-literal approach to Scripture, who would argue that, voicing Niebuhr, that the primary application of the Gospel is in issues of economic, social justice. And that he accepts his church’s teaching on sexuality, in the same way that you accept your church’s teachings on sexuality. So in that case he is a sincere liberal Christian. Would you buy that?

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    I could buy that. Again, yes, it goes to the larger question of whether I could buy that overall from that point of view. But is there such thing as a sincere liberal Christian, which says that we basically take this document and re-write it ourselves? Is that really Christian? That’s a bigger question for me. And the answer is, no, it’s not. I don’t think there is such a thing. To take what is plainly written and say that I don’t agree with that, therefore, I don’t have to pay attention to it, means you’re not what you say you are. You’re a liberal something, but you’re not a Christian. That’s sort of how I look at it.

    When you go so far afield of that and take what is a salvation story and turn it into a liberation theology story, which is done in the Catholic world as well as in the evangelical world, you have abandoned Christendom, in my opinion. And you don’t have a right to claim it.
    Personally, I am quite offended at his judgmental nature. Religion and Politics and their relationship to each other is a complex matter that is not so easily defined. Santorum is correct in the aspect that his interpretation of Christianity and liberalism do not mix, but given that there have been any number of interpretations throughout history by very sincere people and groups that do not agree (catholocism vs protestentism vs orthodox for example) on anything beyond the very basics, his arrogance in thinking that he can define what Christianity is, more so than God, just amazes me.

    The fact is, with any complex subject, like a religion, people are going to bring their viewpoints and life experiences with them. They will understand what they understand based largely on concepts that they are already familiar and comfortable with and that will color their view on this subject. THIS IS UNAVOIDABLE and scratch the surface of anyone who believes they have it "right" (except for Jesus) and you will find a person who is small minded enough to not feel the need to learn new ideas.

    So, Mr. Santorum, you can continue to be a small minded person who doesn't take life experience into account when making these judgments, but that is your failing, not anyone else's. Such a view is not a conviction or any of that crap, its just you being dumb enough to think your ideology is the best possible and not being open to ideas or data (basically not being open to reality in preference to your own ideas and perceptions)

    (yes I know I am judging right back, but I am judging his actions, not his motivations, there is a huge difference (before someone attempts to accuse me of something))
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    my religion doesnt determine my political ideology but i would be both a christian and socialist or social democrat.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    You can be any of those and be a Christian. Ironically, Jesus Christ - if you listen to Scripture - was probably closest to being a communist. He shunned material wealth, and he contributed to equality amongst the masses.

    The only difference is that he didn't live in Mary and Joseph's basement in his 20s, bitching about people with money.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You can be any of those and be a Christian. Ironically, Jesus Christ - if you listen to Scripture - was probably closest to being a communist. He shunned material wealth, and he contributed to equality amongst the masses.

    The only difference is that he didn't live in Mary and Joseph's basement in his 20s, bitching about people with money.
    Well, its easy to be a communist if you can create food out of thin air. If Jesus did not have those constraints, I believe his actions would have been different, based on the fact that he did not take a stance on the current political climate of his time "render on to ceasar" beyond following the law when it does not conflict with the greater cause of Christianity. However, given the communal nature of the early church, you may well be correct too.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    I'm sure he'd be a Ramen noodle and Kool-aid guy if not for the ability to wiggle his nose or snap his fingers and create the Golden Corral menu. He seemed the type.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Sure you can. I'm not Christian in the commonly accepted meaning of the term, but I share many of the same values, and I'm libertarian.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    So you're not a real Christian unless you're a supporter of the GOP. It doesn't get more ****ed up than that.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    I would hope you can be of any political affiliation, and also be a Christian. I once thought you simply needed to accept Jesus as Savior...but as of late it seems that is no longer enough...go figure.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok,
    Given this quote, what is your view

    Santorum Question 4: Is Obama a sincere, liberal Christian? OCRPL



    Personally, I am quite offended at his judgmental nature. Religion and Politics and their relationship to each other is a complex matter that is not so easily defined. Santorum is correct in the aspect that his interpretation of Christianity and liberalism do not mix, but given that there have been any number of interpretations throughout history by very sincere people and groups that do not agree (catholocism vs protestentism vs orthodox for example) on anything beyond the very basics, his arrogance in thinking that he can define what Christianity is, more so than God, just amazes me.

    The fact is, with any complex subject, like a religion, people are going to bring their viewpoints and life experiences with them. They will understand what they understand based largely on concepts that they are already familiar and comfortable with and that will color their view on this subject. THIS IS UNAVOIDABLE and scratch the surface of anyone who believes they have it "right" (except for Jesus) and you will find a person who is small minded enough to not feel the need to learn new ideas.

    So, Mr. Santorum, you can continue to be a small minded person who doesn't take life experience into account when making these judgments, but that is your failing, not anyone else's. Such a view is not a conviction or any of that crap, its just you being dumb enough to think your ideology is the best possible and not being open to ideas or data (basically not being open to reality in preference to your own ideas and perceptions)

    (yes I know I am judging right back, but I am judging his actions, not his motivations, there is a huge difference (before someone attempts to accuse me of something))
    Interesting that he had the balls to bring up people choosing what parts of the bible they want to follow, considering the extent to which fundies pick and choose themselves.

    Homosexuality? "No! Clearly proscribed! Sodom and Gommorah!!!11!1!!

    Disrespecting your parents or tebow throwing the pigskin on Sunday?

    "Well, you don't want to take things too literally, it was a different time, blah blah blah, etc., etc.."
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Yes to all of the above. I agree with Gipper. Today Jesus would probably be considered a long-haired, anarchist, tree-hugger. Alhtough, the tree wasn't by his own choice.

    I think religious right wingers cannot see that the GOP has been exploiting their belief system for a long time. The smoke screen haze hides the big money cooperate greed motive. Our parties did not used to be as divided 20-30 years ago as they are now.
    "The measure off intelligence is the ability to change." Albert Einstein

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