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  • You can be conservative and be a christian

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  • you can be a liberal and be a christian

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  • you can be nonpolitical and be a christian

    17 85.00%
  • you can be a libertarian and be a christian

    18 90.00%
  • you can be a fascist and be a christian

    13 65.00%
  • you can be a socialist and be a christian

    17 85.00%
  • you can be an anarchist and be a christian

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  • you can be "other" and be a christain

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    An honest vote is impossible here.
    Every term has a different meaning to the applicant...
    IMO a social conservative Christian is a contradiction of terms..
    But then my definition of Christian is different than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If your ideology contradicts your religion then no you can't be X ideology and a christian at the same time.Religion is supposed to be a part of your personal and professional life and that includes your political views too.
    Yup. The problem is that every ideology conflicts with christianity in some way. my solution is to find those instances and change beliefs accordingly. Which is no big deal since no ideology is so well defined that changing a stance or two will get smeone kicked of their chosen label.

    So the way i see it, your response doesnt really address the question, unless you believe x ideology is wholely bad.

    Also this doesnt address the fact of differing interpretations of christianity and how that applies as well (at least as the problem and proper response is covered in romans)

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If your ideology contradicts your religion then no you can't be X ideology and a christian at the same time.Religion is supposed to be a part of your personal and professional life and that includes your political views too.
    Yes, I already posted "Mr. Santorum makes this very clear: For Christians your politics are a subset of religion; i.e. perfectly aligned, with the correct Bible leading." Later I realized that Santorum has done something so perfectly that I have to note it here. People will vote for him and against him for exactly the same reason that he has made so clear.

    BTW, for Santorum you are looking at someone that can be a Christian and a Christian, a choice that wasn't in the poll.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 02-27-12 at 01:42 PM. Reason: Add comment.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok,
    Given this quote, what is your view

    Santorum Question 4: Is Obama a sincere, liberal Christian? OCRPL



    Personally, I am quite offended at his judgmental nature. Religion and Politics and their relationship to each other is a complex matter that is not so easily defined. Santorum is correct in the aspect that his interpretation of Christianity and liberalism do not mix, but given that there have been any number of interpretations throughout history by very sincere people and groups that do not agree (catholocism vs protestentism vs orthodox for example) on anything beyond the very basics, his arrogance in thinking that he can define what Christianity is, more so than God, just amazes me.

    The fact is, with any complex subject, like a religion, people are going to bring their viewpoints and life experiences with them. They will understand what they understand based largely on concepts that they are already familiar and comfortable with and that will color their view on this subject. THIS IS UNAVOIDABLE and scratch the surface of anyone who believes they have it "right" (except for Jesus) and you will find a person who is small minded enough to not feel the need to learn new ideas.

    So, Mr. Santorum, you can continue to be a small minded person who doesn't take life experience into account when making these judgments, but that is your failing, not anyone else's. Such a view is not a conviction or any of that crap, its just you being dumb enough to think your ideology is the best possible and not being open to ideas or data (basically not being open to reality in preference to your own ideas and perceptions)

    (yes I know I am judging right back, but I am judging his actions, not his motivations, there is a huge difference (before someone attempts to accuse me of something))
    Christian morality is apolitical, so nonpolitical people would be most consistent with its precepts.

    Not that that prevents Christians who participate in politics from belonging to the religion, but it is hard to reconcile that a person could be involved in politics in a Christian profession or capacity. Generally, Christianity demands you try to live 'around' and 'away from' worldly power and events in order to devote your attentions and energies to preparing for eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Case in point, one of the things the Devil tried to tempt Jesus with was imperial majesty -- aka, worldly power and control over earthly events.
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    This poll proves people generally do not understand the meaning of "fascist" more than anything else.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Tbh I don't see how one can be communist/socialist/fascist and still be Christian.

    I suppose going off of strict theories that could happen... yet... why is it that such regimes end up burning Bibles... and then people?

    As for liberals, I think a lot of liberals ignore certain parts of the New Testament, from homosexuality to fornication. Also, there are quite a few conservatives that have forsaken traditional Christianity as well. Let's hope their modern twist to Christianity doesn't land them in hell.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Christian morality is apolitical, so nonpolitical people would be most consistent with its precepts.

    Not that that prevents Christians who participate in politics from belonging to the religion, but it is hard to reconcile that a person could be politically involved as a Christian profession or capacity.
    I don't understand. Is the root of Christian morality apolitical? What keeps Christian morality apolitical? Many Christians that run for office site their Christian morality as a qualification to be elected into a political job.
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Tbh I don't see how one can be communist/socialist/fascist and still be Christian.

    I suppose going off of strict theories that could happen... yet... why is it that such regimes end up burning Bibles... and then people?

    As for liberals, I think a lot of liberals ignore certain parts of the New Testament, from homosexuality to fornication. Also, there are quite a few conservatives that have forsaken traditional Christianity as well. Let's hope their modern twist to Christianity doesn't land them in hell.
    Problem is while I take the Judeo-Christian tradition as a whole pretty seriously, I don't believe in biblical inerrancy even slightly. I can believe that there is a God, that humans can have relationship with God, that there is enlightenment and correct moral behavior, and generally believe that Jesus insight, good examples, and transformative power over his civilization suggests he has a special relationship with God. However, the classic signs of human rhetoric and fallibility are all over the Bible.

    I don't understand. Is the root of Christian morality apolitical? What keeps Christian morality is apolitical? Many Christians that run for office site their Christian morality as a qualification to be elected into a political job.
    Christianity is an apocalyptic tradition that looks toward (and prepares the spirit for) the end of the world. There's really nothing for Christians in earthly governments, and it is usually futile to try to make them work for spiritual or moral purposes, other than the Noahide standards like having an equitable justice system. Basic reason is that spiritual motivations and purposes are folded into the generally interplay of sin that informs the behavior of temporal, earthly powers.

    For example, Christian-motivated temperance movements that led to Prohibition fed into organized crime in a rather severe way, which is exactly what a lot of politicians and businessmen at the local and national level wanted to happen so they could make a fortune off peddling sin.

    There's really no way to pull off noble spiritual ambitions in a political setting. People aren't consistently perceptive or dedicated enough for it. The end result is always something like Iran.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 02-27-12 at 07:48 PM.
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