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  • You can be conservative and be a christian

    16 80.00%
  • you can be a liberal and be a christian

    16 80.00%
  • you can be nonpolitical and be a christian

    17 85.00%
  • you can be a libertarian and be a christian

    18 90.00%
  • you can be a fascist and be a christian

    13 65.00%
  • you can be a socialist and be a christian

    17 85.00%
  • you can be an anarchist and be a christian

    16 80.00%
  • you can be "other" and be a christain

    17 85.00%
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok,
    Given this quote, what is your view

    Santorum Question 4: Is Obama a sincere, liberal Christian? OCRPL



    Personally, I am quite offended at his judgmental nature. Religion and Politics and their relationship to each other is a complex matter that is not so easily defined. Santorum is correct in the aspect that his interpretation of Christianity and liberalism do not mix, but given that there have been any number of interpretations throughout history by very sincere people and groups that do not agree (catholocism vs protestentism vs orthodox for example) on anything beyond the very basics, his arrogance in thinking that he can define what Christianity is, more so than God, just amazes me.

    The fact is, with any complex subject, like a religion, people are going to bring their viewpoints and life experiences with them. They will understand what they understand based largely on concepts that they are already familiar and comfortable with and that will color their view on this subject. THIS IS UNAVOIDABLE and scratch the surface of anyone who believes they have it "right" (except for Jesus) and you will find a person who is small minded enough to not feel the need to learn new ideas.

    So, Mr. Santorum, you can continue to be a small minded person who doesn't take life experience into account when making these judgments, but that is your failing, not anyone else's. Such a view is not a conviction or any of that crap, its just you being dumb enough to think your ideology is the best possible and not being open to ideas or data (basically not being open to reality in preference to your own ideas and perceptions)

    (yes I know I am judging right back, but I am judging his actions, not his motivations, there is a huge difference (before someone attempts to accuse me of something))

    I was ready to join you in condemning Santorum for proclaiming someone Notta-Real-Christian based on political ideology.... but then I went back and read a bit more carefully, and thought a bit.

    This is worth taking note of...


    {Obama's presumed position} with a non-literal approach to Scripture, who would argue that, voicing Niebuhr, that the primary application of the Gospel is in issues of economic, social justice.
    {Santorum}When you go so far afield of that and take what is a salvation story and turn it into a liberation theology story, .... you have abandoned Christendom, in my opinion.

    What Santorum seems to be saying is that those who think the Gospel is primarily about social/economic justice have missed the boat entirely and misconstrued a spiritual message for a political one.

    I agree with that entirely.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Wellll, the blather that comes out of talk radio could be considered speaking in tongues.A lot of it makes about as much sense.
    Well... respectfully, I disagree. They are far different.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its one of many gifts of the spirit.

    12:27 Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you is a member of it. 12:28 And God has placed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, gifts of healing, helps, gifts of leadership, different kinds of tongues. 12:29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform miracles, do they? 12:30 Not all have gifts of healing, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they? Not all interpret, do they? 7 12:31 But you should be eager for the greater gifts.
    I always though the speaking in tongues thing was a gift for communication/language.

    Spreading the word and all that.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well... respectfully, I disagree. They are far different.
    Shoulda did a smilie. Tongue in cheek and all that.
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I was ready to join you in condemning Santorum for proclaiming someone Notta-Real-Christian based on political ideology.... but then I went back and read a bit more carefully, and thought a bit.

    This is worth taking note of...







    What Santorum seems to be saying is that those who think the Gospel is primarily about social/economic justice have missed the boat entirely and misconstrued a spiritual message for a political one.

    I agree with that entirely.
    I agree with that too, but if this is the case, then santorum is accusing all christians who happen to be liberal to have this as their view of the theology, this stance of his is also worthy of condemnation on the basis of it not being true.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    I don't agree with Santorum's comments posted in the OP, but I've heard the very same things said about those of us on the right. In fact, I think Obama and Pelosi imply that when they make comments about how Jesus would support their policies.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    I voted for everything. There are Christians on all ends of the spectrum

    Conservative - obviously

    Liberal - Obama, Clinton

    Unaffiliated - this should not affect religion, so why not?

    Libertarian - Ron Paul

    Fascist - Hitler

    Socialist - Christian socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anarchist - Jehova's witnesses

    Other - depending on what it is, yes, especially centrism
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Mr. Santorum makes this very clear:
    For Christians your politics are a subset of religion; i.e. perfectly aligned, with the correct Bible leading.

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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Personally, I think the question and answer were absolutely dumb. The problem is, everybody thinks their version of Christianity is "right", and only their version is right. Anybody who doesn't believe exactly as I believe is wrong, wrong, wrong. It's a vicious cycle of idiocy.

    So in answer to the poll, yes to all. In response to Santorum...go **** yourself, you judgmental little prick.
    I don't believe this. I have met people who claimed to be Christian (which to me is the same thing as being Christian), and still think that not only can other Christian interpretations be correct, but that other religions can be correct as well. Of course most of these people are in my family, but I have known many people outside my family that believe many interpretations of the Bible can be correct.
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    Re: Can you be X ideology and a christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok,
    Given this quote, what is your view

    Santorum Question 4: Is Obama a sincere, liberal Christian? OCRPL



    Personally, I am quite offended at his judgmental nature. Religion and Politics and their relationship to each other is a complex matter that is not so easily defined. Santorum is correct in the aspect that his interpretation of Christianity and liberalism do not mix, but given that there have been any number of interpretations throughout history by very sincere people and groups that do not agree (catholocism vs protestentism vs orthodox for example) on anything beyond the very basics, his arrogance in thinking that he can define what Christianity is, more so than God, just amazes me.

    The fact is, with any complex subject, like a religion, people are going to bring their viewpoints and life experiences with them. They will understand what they understand based largely on concepts that they are already familiar and comfortable with and that will color their view on this subject. THIS IS UNAVOIDABLE and scratch the surface of anyone who believes they have it "right" (except for Jesus) and you will find a person who is small minded enough to not feel the need to learn new ideas.

    So, Mr. Santorum, you can continue to be a small minded person who doesn't take life experience into account when making these judgments, but that is your failing, not anyone else's. Such a view is not a conviction or any of that crap, its just you being dumb enough to think your ideology is the best possible and not being open to ideas or data (basically not being open to reality in preference to your own ideas and perceptions)

    (yes I know I am judging right back, but I am judging his actions, not his motivations, there is a huge difference (before someone attempts to accuse me of something))
    If your ideology contradicts your religion then no you can't be X ideology and a christian at the same time.Religion is supposed to be a part of your personal and professional life and that includes your political views too.
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