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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    I think a nuclear armed Middle East would bring up oil prices a great deal more.

    You and your foresight! Who cares about the future! We want cheap oil NOW! Goddamn the longterm consequences!

    Holy ****, the ignorance in this thread is going to give me an aneurysm if i keep reading...

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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by anarchomoney View Post
    but it's not. if it was you'd see companies selling it. one reason is that the government gave monopolies to your local utility companies. no incentive for change there. though there has been some deregulation, and there are a few competitors selling solar and wind energy. It's a start. I'm all for renewable energy, but I don't think something that costs maybe 1000% more than oil is a good idea.
    It doesn't cost a hundred times more that oil if you add in the military costs at the gas pump to keep the oil flowing from the Middle East, that's the point.
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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    How would ending sanctions affect the oil speculation market?

    Theoretically, increased supply lowers price blah blah blah, but would it really?

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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The only reason we should repeal sanctions would be to substitute that plan with war.
    Which is not going to happen.

    Let me preface the following statement with this one: I believe the Iraq adventure was based on a pack of lies. However, every technical detail I understand suggests that Iran is moving towards nuclear weapons, from their choice of heavy water breeder reactor, to the sheer uneconomical cost of enriching and storing the waste yourself, to building allegedly "civilian" facilities in hardened underground bunkers.

    That said, Iran will get a nuke for a few simple reasons:

    1) An Israeli/US conventional attack will at most put Iran back a year or two.
    2) No one has the guts for a regime changing occupation
    3) No one is going to start a nuclear war
    4) Iran will brutally suppress any uprising stemming from sanctions.

    For those simple reasons, Iran will eventually acquire a nuke.
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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by anarchomoney View Post
    why should we? if we can buy it cheaper from world markets, then we should. restricting oil to only ourselves would hurt ourselves. we would pay more for it because we would be artificially cutting the size of supply, even though demand would still be there.
    Why should we what?
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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    OK. I'll add more detail, but it was in the article I sighted. "It's dramatic. It's transformative," Edward Morse, a former senior U.S. energy official who now directs global commodities research at Citigroup, says of the historic shifts. He says the U.S. is importing a smaller share 49% in 2010, down from 60% in 2005 of the oil it uses, adding: "We're moving toward energy independence." So it's not 60%. If you would use up to date figures and add trends I'd be with you, but you appear to have an agenda beyond oil.
    You do realize that our demand is down dramatically due the Great Recession and high gas prices, right? Once the economy recovers we will be right back up to 60% imports.

    "Oil demand remains off long-term trends lines and is determined primarily by the continuing effects of the recession. Consequently, forecasting oil markets remains more dependent on understanding recession economics than anything to do with oil per se."

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    It makes much more sense to develop alternative energy sources to replace foreign oil imports, rather than sending our money to the middle east and kissing Saudi ass.
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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Seems to me that more then a few people are blaming the President for oil price increases. And they're right. The Iranian sanctions are directly at fault for much of the price increases. Therefore, do you support an end to Iranian oil sanctions to bring down oil prices?
    Yeah, what's a nuclear armed fundamentalist Muslim state when compared to rising gas prices?

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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It makes much more sense to develop alternative energy sources to replace foreign oil imports, rather than sending our money to the middle east and kissing Saudi ass.
    The human species doing something that makes sense. Oh, that's rich.

    I really wish I could remember who said this, but many years ago somebody said that for all the prattling we do regarding alternative energy, we will never... ever... actually get serious about it until the current sources are pretty much depleted. In other words: we won't do it until we have to. Or, unless a "better" (read: actually better AND cheaper, just better won't be enough) energy source magically pops up to take its place... which is kind of what fossil fuels did.

    As far as I am concerned, I agree with that point-of-view, but I don't believe it is an excuse to do nothing. I do see value in the necessary research. What I don't see value in is pretending that it is anything more than that. We're just kidding ourselves when we do.

    Collective "we", of course.

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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The human species doing something that makes sense. Oh, that's rich.

    I really wish I could remember who said this, but many years ago somebody said that for all the prattling we do regarding alternative energy, we will never... ever... actually get serious about it until the current sources are pretty much depleted. In other words: we won't do it until we have to. Or, unless a "better" (read: actually better AND cheaper, just better won't be enough) energy source magically pops up to take its place... which is kind of what fossil fuels did.

    As far as I am concerned, I agree with that point-of-view, but I don't believe it is an excuse to do nothing. I do see value in the necessary research. What I don't see value in is pretending that it is anything more than that. We're just kidding ourselves when we do.

    Collective "we", of course.
    In other words, wait until we have a crisis situation before we take significant action???
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    Re: Obama should end Iranian Sanctions to Reduce Oil Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In other words, wait until we have a crisis situation before we take significant action???
    It's not a happy answer, but it's how I believe it will actually play out.

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