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Is Obama just really Bush II?

Is Obama just really Bush II?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 37.0%

  • No

    Votes: 29 63.0%
  • Total voters
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Bush was a horrible president, are you kidding me? Obama, a bush light? That would require the economy to move backwards, not forward.
 
All these message boards on the internet are probably run by the same 12 bored CIA agents, who are trying to unwind in their offices after another long day of bombing poor people.
 
mpg said:
If the next election is your concern, start a thread about Romney and Obama. This thread is about Bush and Obama. Trying to change to Bush and Romney makes no sense at all.
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You no longer allow forum members to challenge the OP??? I must have missed the announcement.


link please, thanks
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"Certain provisions of the health reform statutes have been estimated to generate savings for the Medicare, Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program, as well as offsetting certain costs. If repealed, the CBO estimates that there would be an increase in deficits totaling near $455 billion—based on an original estimate of the net savings of these programs.

Read more: Reform could help reduce deficit, CBO says - Healthcare business news and research | Modern Healthcare http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20100825/NEWS/308259980#ixzz1nvETKDAG
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"Health Care Reform: Saving Taxpayer Dollars by Cutting Fraud, Waste, Abuse"

The United States Senate Committee on Finance: Newsroom - Chairman's News


Romney's Tax Plan Would Add $3T To Deficit Over A Decade

"Last week, Mitt Romney proposed a new tax plan that would, among other things, reduce individual tax rates by 20 percent across the board and repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax. To get a rough sense of what those two tax cuts would cost, the Tax Policy Center crunched the numbers. The result: They would be really, really expensive.

TPC found that repealing the AMT and cutting rates by 20 percent would increase the deficit by more than $3 trillion over the next 10 years, even after the 2001/2003/2010 tax cuts are extended."

Romney's Tax Plan Would Add $3T To Deficit Over A Decade - Forbes
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, but we still have the Patriot Act and all sorts of other new laws as well. We got GITMO and expanding foreign wars, we have more government, more rules, more people going to jail. Face it, decades of Republocrat rule have brought us to the point we are at right now. And it's not the best place to be given where we started out.
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That's why we need more liberals in Congress to add to the majority of Democrats that oppose the Patriot Act. The majority of Democrats voted against the GOP war in Iraq and they ended the Iraq war, while the GOP say we pulled out too soon. Face it we are better off with Democrats in power then when Republicans are in office.

With Libertarians, we would lose the Departments of Education, Energy, and Environmental protection, in addition to SS and Medicare.

Thanks, but no thanks!
 
Catawba said:
You no longer allow forum members to challenge the OP??? I must have missed the announcement.




"Certain provisions of the health reform statutes have been estimated to generate savings for the Medicare, Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program, as well as offsetting certain costs. If repealed, the CBO estimates that there would be an increase in deficits totaling near $455 billion—based on an original estimate of the net savings of these programs.

Read more: Reform could help reduce deficit, CBO says - Healthcare business news and research | Modern Healthcare http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20100825/NEWS/308259980#ixzz1nvETKDAG
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"Health Care Reform: Saving Taxpayer Dollars by Cutting Fraud, Waste, Abuse"

The United States Senate Committee on Finance: Newsroom - Chairman's News


Romney's Tax Plan Would Add $3T To Deficit Over A Decade

"Last week, Mitt Romney proposed a new tax plan that would, among other things, reduce individual tax rates by 20 percent across the board and repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax. To get a rough sense of what those two tax cuts would cost, the Tax Policy Center crunched the numbers. The result: They would be really, really expensive.

TPC found that repealing the AMT and cutting rates by 20 percent would increase the deficit by more than $3 trillion over the next 10 years, even after the 2001/2003/2010 tax cuts are extended."

Romney's Tax Plan Would Add $3T To Deficit Over A Decade - Forbes
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I'm not going to help you hijack this thread into a Romney thread.
 
mpg said:
That doesn't change the fact that Obama supports it.
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Right, all the viable candidates support it, so it will be up to Congress to get rid of it, where there is a majority of Democrats that voted against it. That's the party I'm voting for.
 
Chiefgator said:
Exactly why I will vote None of the Above
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I guess there are a few people out there like yourself that are one issue voters. Most are not.
 
Catawba said:
I guess there are a few people out there like yourself that are one issue voters. Most are not.
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I am not a one issue voter by any stretch. I guess I should have put "another reason I will vote "none of the above". "

Minor exceptions aside, most candidates on the docket are the same guy as the next.

The only one that is truely different is Ron Paul, but his economic views are a disaster... different is not necessarily better... Obama has proven that. His rhetoric was the opposite of Bush and yet he pushed or continued many of the same failed or illegal policies.
 
Catawba said:
With Libertarians, we would lose the Departments of Education, Energy, and Environmental protection, in addition to SS and Medicare.

Thanks, but no thanks!
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Yes, but you'd gain your freedom.
 
Freedom to be ruled by corporate tyrants? No thanks.
 
This is true but what you just suggested by getting rid of Social Security would make things even worse.
 
Justice For All said:
This is true but what you just suggested by getting rid of Social Security would make things even worse.
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No, I was merely responding to a propaganda statement with a propaganda statement of my own. There are ways to keep social security and make it overall a better run system than what it currently operates on it as. But that has nothing to do with corporate tyrants. Already they use the government to get what they want. To break contracts and unload pensions such in order to keep insane bonuses and the like. Wealth is more and more concentrated into an increasingly smaller number of people. And that’s all with Republocrat rule, not Libertarian. I think in our ideology, there is plenty of room for argument for proper forms of government intervention and trying to alleviate some of the problems we had come across in the past. But you make some hyperbole to being controlled by corporate masters like that somehow was different than what happened now.

Take a look around. America is as it is because of decades of Republocrat control. Anyone who thinks there’s a problem with this Republic and claims the solution is the Republocrats are fooling themselves and only hastening the demise of the Republic.
 
Kane said:
The fact of the matter is: These hired guns (not true liberals?) in the talk radio and TV news don't care about society, won't retract false reporting, and only care about exploiting your fears and hatreds for profit. Liberals in talk radio are going way out their way to avoid Obamas Libya invasion, and the Middle East uprisings, 9/11 Truth, war on terror issues in general, and how the Democratic Party rubber stamps George W. Bush's defense policy all the time. TALK ABOUT IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM! There is SERIOUS DAMAGE CONTROL going on at liberal talk radio.

The Left Gatekeepers (May 4, 2008)


"I love this level of humanity and hearing intelligent voices casually discussing meaningful topics of sociopolitical concern.

NPR has always been so effing phony and sold-out and KPFA and Pacifica, well, for years Democrats have been trying to water that down. So, they've got these pro-MoveOn, pro-reform-Democratic-Party-from-within-instead-of-build-a-strong-Left-party, Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club Democrats that have been pushing KPFA towards NPR-isation for at least a decade. But thanks to the dedication of grassroots listeners, they've been stymied to some extent. The grassroots people never seem to have as much cash or power-bureaucrats on their side, but they have the power of truth and conviction of their side.

Now, this Media Roots radio broadcast is truly refreshing and such an antidote to the uptight variety of intellectual radio that used to be the only conception I had of what radical radio can be. Thank you for giving listeners alternatives.

May terrestrial radio pick this up and broadcast it far and wide in people's cars and kitchens."

MEDIAROOTS



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Chiefgator said:
I am not a one issue voter by any stretch. I guess I should have put "another reason I will vote "none of the above". "

Minor exceptions aside, most candidates on the docket are the same guy as the next.

The only one that is truely different is Ron Paul, but his economic views are a disaster... different is not necessarily better... Obama has proven that. His rhetoric was the opposite of Bush and yet he pushed or continued many of the same failed or illegal policies.
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The Media Roots radio show, (link in the above quote) are fans of Ron Paul you'd probably like that show.
 
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Ikari said:
Yes, but you'd gain your freedom.
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That depends on one's perspective. To me, and I think most Americans, losing the departments of Education, Energy, and Environmental protection, in addition to SS and Medicare, is way more loss of freedom than any "freedom loss" we have now.
 
Catawba said:
That depends on one's perspective. To me, and I think most Americans, losing the departments of Education, Energy, and Environmental protection, in addition to SS and Medicare, is way more loss of freedom than any "freedom loss" we have now.
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Those would be losses, but not losses of freedom.
 
Sometimes under Obama, the lies, the war propaganda, and censorship in the press seems worse than it was under Bush. Not mentioning any names - Anderson Cooper. :mrgreen: And to think, CNN spent $25 million dollars in promoting advertising for that show according to Romenensko.

In the age of Big Brother, nothing is as it seems. We are being propadandized to death everyday, and after 10 years we recognize all the tricks.Out of every 50 media channels, activists,internet writers 46 seem like government fronts.

KPFK's Dave Emory, www.spitfirelist.org, did a huge hitpiece on Asssange,
Al Jazeera revises history everyday, etc.

some backround reading on media gatekeepers

Randi Rhodes Goes Rogue on Afghanistan
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/25373

* Meet Professor Juan Cole, Consultant to the CIA :* Information Clearing House News

Prison Planet.com » Huffington Post Kills Jesse Ventura’s Piece On 9/11

The Nation joins the campaign against Julian Assange

Time to Unplug the CPB

Where's The Democracy Now? - Pacifica radio and its alternative news station Democracy Now! | Ecologist, The | Find Articles

My Left Wing:: Two Peace Activists Banned From Daily Kos

Consortiumnews.com

COINTELPRO 101 - The Sabotage Of Legitimate Dissent - YouTube

The Truth About Kos (DailyKos): "Censorship In The Blogosphere," by the Liberal Journal Blog
 
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One can argue that without economic freedom you aren't truly free. True freedom requires a job, social security and security of all kinds and without education you can't expect to even get a job. Neccessitous men and women are not free.
 
He wouldn't protect endangered whale species, either.

Now fellow liberals - do we see Obama for what he is now?

A NeoCoN sleeper agent inside the liberal party!
 
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