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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    I mean look at the evidence and similarities of what Obama has done-

    1.He continues wars in the middle east and will likely attack Iran if elected another term
    2. Like Bush passed a expensive healthcare bill (Bush's was medicare part D)
    3. Passed into law a act for military drones to patrol our own skies while keeping the patriot act. (obviously Bush passed the Patriot Act)
    4. Continues to pile on debt like Bush
    5. Does nothing about immigration like Bush
    6. Continues tax breaks for the rich, case in point he is now wanting to take the corporate tax from 34% to 28%.



    That being said I think the republican canidates for 2012 would be Bush III to 99th power, except for Ron Paul.
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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    There are differences between the two, but overall I'd call the differences in actually policy to be minor. The biggest thing I can think of is repealing DADT, which I give Obama props for. But on foreign policy, Obama has largely followed Bush's blueprint. His tone might be different, but we're still nation building and still pursuing a policy of active interventionism. Both of them spent money like water. Both of them have used to war on terror to expand the power of government at the cost of civil liberties. Obamacare was his baby, but I honestly believe if Bush had another term or if McCain had been elected we would've got something not too terribly different. Precise details would've been different, but we would've got more government involvement and oversight into healthcare no matter who was in the oval office in '08. One area where Obama has really disappointed me was the drug war. I didn't expect him to push for decriminalization or legalization just due to political realities, but I did think he'd back off from prosecuting medical marijuana in particular and put less emphasis on the whole war on drugs in general.
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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Obama is Bush on steroids.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    My apologies. I meant to say the worst President in my lifetime. The first President I remember was Eisenhower.



    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Really?

    Worse than the presidents who sent 500,000 Americans to their deaths fighting a civil war that they were too cowardly to prevent?
    Worse then the president who turned a recession into the Great Depression by signing a bill he knew would eviscerate the economy?

    Bush was bad, no questions about that. But the worst? Hardly.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    He has done the exact opposite on the economy, and saying that he will declare war on iran is 100% speculation.
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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    The fact of the matter is: These hired guns (not true liberals?) in the talk radio and TV news don't care about society, won't retract false reporting, and only care about exploiting your fears and hatreds for profit. Liberals in talk radio are going way out their way to avoid Obamas Libya invasion, and the Middle East uprisings, 9/11 Truth, war on terror issues in general, and how the Democratic Party rubber stamps George W. Bush's defense policy all the time. TALK ABOUT IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM! There is SERIOUS DAMAGE CONTROL going on at liberal talk radio.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I'm sure your right. But I would be delighted to see what Obama could do minus the regressive Tea Party types shunting the majority will of America.
    On some issues, he'd probably be worse. He's increased black ops and made little effort to change Bush's policies. He has allowed provisions of the Patriot Act to expand, and at least George Bush asked Congress for the A'OK before pursuing military action in another country. You cannot say the same for Obama's support for the resistance in Libya. The guy might have been sidetracked by Tea Party types, but at best he has shown very little leadership on most civil liberties issues, if he is not outright hostile toward them. Perhaps if the Left kept up the same support for these things as they did when Bush was President, they could counteract these Tea Party types.
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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Obama is Bush on steroids.
    Yup.

    The TV debates never let Ron Paul talk about the endless wars that bankrupted America the last 10 years, just like back in the 80's when Reagan bankrupted the U.S. Treasury with huge deficits fighting the Soviets, we armed the nation with huge MX missle and defense buildups. No one ever benefited from that military buildup except the defense industry and big oil, just like today. Just like no one benefitted from the Korean war and the Vietnam war, all done for profits.

    The corp. media never talk about the human casualties and the human suffering caused by the wars and U.S. intervention in the "Arab Spring" uprisings. All the news media/talk radio wants us to focus on is this sham election and rigged primaries this whole last year and in 2012, who's up in the polls, and religous nonsense. The corporate media conglomerates share boards of directors with these huge war profiteers/ defense contractors, big oil, and those companies that profit from war. The controlled corp. media monopoly press, the electronic voting machines together, with the rigged tabloid TV/ radio three ring circus, make sure Big Brother has all his bases covered. And the message from the govmnt/ big business is: vote for your corporate candidate for more corporate profits that benefit corporate America.

    Real change to our government has been taken "off the table," just like prosecuting Bush/Cheney was.

    Americans who are really informed and really have a conscience about stopping the carnage in the Middle East and Asia, and who really are humanitarians and want to advance the brotherhood of man,would demand a third and fourth party, and they most certainly would not vote for these 2 identical, corrupt, Republican and Democrat parties.
    Last edited by Kane; 02-29-12 at 01:56 AM.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    I think you guys are missing the glaringly obvious difference of Obama actually having a functioning brain. Obama has been fighting a congress that is so dysfunctional it is almost non-existent. That being said, he has gotten a surprisingly long list of accomplishments, all while painting the Republicans into a corner as being the corporate lap dogs they are.

    You have to understand that there is not going to be any major differences between presidents when the congress that actually controls things is made up of the same idiots that were there with the previous administration.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    I voted yes, primarily because his policies have been approximating that of Bush's lately.

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