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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    This is true but what you just suggested by getting rid of Social Security would make things even worse.
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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    This is true but what you just suggested by getting rid of Social Security would make things even worse.
    No, I was merely responding to a propaganda statement with a propaganda statement of my own. There are ways to keep social security and make it overall a better run system than what it currently operates on it as. But that has nothing to do with corporate tyrants. Already they use the government to get what they want. To break contracts and unload pensions such in order to keep insane bonuses and the like. Wealth is more and more concentrated into an increasingly smaller number of people. And that’s all with Republocrat rule, not Libertarian. I think in our ideology, there is plenty of room for argument for proper forms of government intervention and trying to alleviate some of the problems we had come across in the past. But you make some hyperbole to being controlled by corporate masters like that somehow was different than what happened now.

    Take a look around. America is as it is because of decades of Republocrat control. Anyone who thinks there’s a problem with this Republic and claims the solution is the Republocrats are fooling themselves and only hastening the demise of the Republic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The fact of the matter is: These hired guns (not true liberals?) in the talk radio and TV news don't care about society, won't retract false reporting, and only care about exploiting your fears and hatreds for profit. Liberals in talk radio are going way out their way to avoid Obamas Libya invasion, and the Middle East uprisings, 9/11 Truth, war on terror issues in general, and how the Democratic Party rubber stamps George W. Bush's defense policy all the time. TALK ABOUT IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM! There is SERIOUS DAMAGE CONTROL going on at liberal talk radio.

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    NPR has always been so effing phony and sold-out and KPFA and Pacifica, well, for years Democrats have been trying to water that down. So, they've got these pro-MoveOn, pro-reform-Democratic-Party-from-within-instead-of-build-a-strong-Left-party, Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club Democrats that have been pushing KPFA towards NPR-isation for at least a decade. But thanks to the dedication of grassroots listeners, they've been stymied to some extent. The grassroots people never seem to have as much cash or power-bureaucrats on their side, but they have the power of truth and conviction of their side.

    Now, this Media Roots radio broadcast is truly refreshing and such an antidote to the uptight variety of intellectual radio that used to be the only conception I had of what radical radio can be. Thank you for giving listeners alternatives.

    May terrestrial radio pick this up and broadcast it far and wide in people's cars and kitchens."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am not a one issue voter by any stretch. I guess I should have put "another reason I will vote "none of the above". "

    Minor exceptions aside, most candidates on the docket are the same guy as the next.

    The only one that is truely different is Ron Paul, but his economic views are a disaster... different is not necessarily better... Obama has proven that. His rhetoric was the opposite of Bush and yet he pushed or continued many of the same failed or illegal policies.
    The Media Roots radio show, (link in the above quote) are fans of Ron Paul you'd probably like that show.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but you'd gain your freedom.
    That depends on one's perspective. To me, and I think most Americans, losing the departments of Education, Energy, and Environmental protection, in addition to SS and Medicare, is way more loss of freedom than any "freedom loss" we have now.
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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That depends on one's perspective. To me, and I think most Americans, losing the departments of Education, Energy, and Environmental protection, in addition to SS and Medicare, is way more loss of freedom than any "freedom loss" we have now.
    Those would be losses, but not losses of freedom.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    Sometimes under Obama, the lies, the war propaganda, and censorship in the press seems worse than it was under Bush. Not mentioning any names - Anderson Cooper. And to think, CNN spent $25 million dollars in promoting advertising for that show according to Romenensko.

    In the age of Big Brother, nothing is as it seems. We are being propadandized to death everyday, and after 10 years we recognize all the tricks.Out of every 50 media channels, activists,internet writers 46 seem like government fronts.

    KPFK's Dave Emory, www.spitfirelist.org, did a huge hitpiece on Asssange,
    Al Jazeera revises history everyday, etc.

    some backround reading on media gatekeepers

    Randi Rhodes Goes Rogue on Afghanistan
    http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/25373

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    Prison Planet.com » Huffington Post Kills Jesse Ventura’s Piece On 9/11

    The Nation joins the campaign against Julian Assange

    Time to Unplug the CPB

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    One can argue that without economic freedom you aren't truly free. True freedom requires a job, social security and security of all kinds and without education you can't expect to even get a job. Neccessitous men and women are not free.
    "Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they’ll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they’ll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it’s the sand of the coliseum. He’ll bring them death – and they will love him for it.” - Senator Gracchus (Gladiator)

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    Re: Is Obama just really Bush II?

    He wouldn't protect endangered whale species, either.

    Now fellow liberals - do we see Obama for what he is now?

    A NeoCoN sleeper agent inside the liberal party!

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