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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    The Republican Party controlled all three branches from 2001 to 2006, and the federal government only grew under their watch.

    Furthermore, a big chunk of the public outrage over Guantanamo, the USA PATRIOT Act, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a whole host of other things evaporated as soon as Bush left office and Obama came in (IMO, anyway, we can debate over this too).

    With these points in mind, do you think that the Tea Party will remain politically relevant if the Republicans win in 2012? Or will fiscal conservatism be relegated to the back of the bus once the GOP is in power?

    I picked other.First of all The tea party are republicans.The idea that they are some actual party or separate from the republicans is idiotic. Second this whole Tea Party thing is nothing more than a ploy by the republicans to sucker people into voting for republicans.If the Tea Party was a actual party then they would be a actual party.When the republicans win the white-house it will be just business as usual just like when the democrats won and the republicans before them that won. They will not repeal Obama care, they will not fix the budget, They will not stop kissing globalist piece of **** ass, they will not crack down on illegals or any other thing issue they used as a ploy to con people into voting for them. Democrats are just as guilty as the republicans are.
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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I picked other.First of all The tea party are republicans.The idea that they are some actual party or separate from the republicans is idiotic. Second this whole Tea Party thing is nothing more than a ploy by the republicans to sucker people into voting for republicans.If the Tea Party was a actual party then they would be a actual party.When the republicans win the white-house it will be just business as usual just like when the democrats won and the republicans before them that won. They will not repeal Obama care, they will not fix the budget, They will not stop kissing globalist piece of **** ass, they will not crack down on illegals or any other thing issue they used as a ploy to con people into voting for them. Democrats are just as guilty as the republicans are.
    Nobody's saying that the Tea Party isn't almost entirely a movement internal to the Republican Party. Who are you supposed to be calling idiotic?

    I'm not sure why you voted "other". You seem to be saying that the Tea Party won't continue to influence public policy, and they will therefore no longer be relevant.

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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I picked other.First of all The tea party are republicans.The idea that they are some actual party or separate from the republicans is idiotic. Second this whole Tea Party thing is nothing more than a ploy by the republicans to sucker people into voting for republicans.If the Tea Party was a actual party then they would be a actual party.When the republicans win the white-house it will be just business as usual just like when the democrats won and the republicans before them that won. They will not repeal Obama care, they will not fix the budget, They will not stop kissing globalist piece of **** ass, they will not crack down on illegals or any other thing issue they used as a ploy to con people into voting for them. Democrats are just as guilty as the republicans are.
    Yeah I agree for the most part with this statement, these politicians are nothing but talk. Obama who had a crusade against tax cuts is now wanting to lower the corporate tax rate to 35% to 28% which is a huge tax cut. Wether you agree with this or not the point is all these politicians are two faced and flip floppers and will say anything to get elected, it's disgusting.
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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. Where was the accountability during the Bush years? Where has the accountability been the last two years when Congress claims to pass "historic spending cuts" that are nothing more than smoke and mirrors while the total dollars spent continue to increase?
    I will agree that I was disappointed the Payroll Tax Cut got passed. Its a stupid policy. Tax cuts? Fine. That tax cut? Stupid. It will entertaining to see who blames who when SS goes belly up. The Dems can't blame the GOP, they asked for it. The GOP can't blame the Dems, they passed it in the House. Yep, gonna be funny. Anyway, I don't care about the Bush years. I'm just glad its happening. The question you have to ask about the House is this. Would you rather have been Pelosi and those idiots running it 2 more years or Boehner and the Tea Partiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    At this point, the best thing that could happen for the Tea Party and for fiscal conservatism is for Romney to get the election, and then the base stays home and sends a message. Sure we get stuck with four more years of Obama, but maybe ... just maybe the GOP will realize that people want more than just a guy who says all the right things on the campaign trail, despite a track record that run counter to most of what he claims he believes in. Give us someone who can talk the talk and more importantly walk the walk.
    Man, Obama getting re-elected would really hurt. I mean really hurt. Thats a bold statement lol. I really wish Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio would have ran. I can't believe they didn't. Michelle Bachmann was the Tea Party candidate..........yeah.
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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Nobody's saying that the Tea Party isn't almost entirely a movement internal to the Republican Party. Who are you supposed to be calling idiotic?
    Many people tend to think the Tea Party is a actually a separate party.

    I'm not sure why you voted "other". You seem to be saying that the Tea Party won't continue to influence public policy, and they will therefore no longer be relevant.
    They were not a influence to begin with.Politicians in general will oppose something because that is what they actually oppose or they will oppose something purely because the other side supports it. The fact that some of the so-called tea party candidates may have supported some of these things is just coincidence.
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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Somehow I doubt it, it seems like most of the tea party's outrage comes and goes with the news cycles, whether it be cable news or talk radio. If a republican gets into the white house, expect a 4 year long void in stories about deficits or unemployment.

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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Many people tend to think the Tea Party is a actually a separate party.



    They were not a influence to begin with.Politicians in general will oppose something because that is what they actually oppose or they will oppose something purely because the other side supports it. The fact that some of the so-called tea party candidates may have supported some of these things is just coincidence.
    In other words...the Tea Party is a Pseudo Political Party, which was and is being propped up by a movement rather than a political machine commonly associated with the Republicans and Democrats...?

    I pretty much agree with your views. EXCEPT...nothing in Washington is there by "Coincidence". Tea Party Congressional members...had big name financial backers. The problem is that they don't have a structured political organization at their back...which actually, you've already pointed out.

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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I will agree that I was disappointed the Payroll Tax Cut got passed. Its a stupid policy. Tax cuts? Fine. That tax cut? Stupid. It will entertaining to see who blames who when SS goes belly up. The Dems can't blame the GOP, they asked for it. The GOP can't blame the Dems, they passed it in the House. Yep, gonna be funny. Anyway, I don't care about the Bush years. I'm just glad its happening. The question you have to ask about the House is this. Would you rather have been Pelosi and those idiots running it 2 more years or Boehner and the Tea Partiers?
    If I thought the Bush years were an awful abberration that will never return, I would happily say I don't care about them either. But unfortunately I don't think the Republicans have learned their lesson. If McCain or Romney had won in '08, do you think either one of them would be substantially different than Bush? Or Obama for that matter. Do you really think any of the Republican candidates back '08 would've been that different? No matter who won, Republican or Democrat, we were going to get bailouts and massive inefficient stimulus spending. We were going to continue to follow Bush's outline for Iraq and Afghanistan. And we were going to get some massive over reaching form of "healthcare reform". Some of the details would've been different, but the overall impact would largely be the same: ballooning deficfits, ever expanding government, and tepid economic recovery.

    As for Pelosi vs Boehner, yeah Boehner and his crew are slightly less objectionable. But as I've said time and time again, being marginally better than a bad option, does not make you a good option. Are you really content to cast your vote for a candidate or a party for the sole reason that they aren't quite as lousy as the people they are running against? Aren't you sick of shallow lip service to your ideals and nothing more? Shouldn't we start to demand better from our political parties?

    Because voting for Boehner or Romney or Santorum or whoever the mainstream Republican establishment pushes forward as the spokesman of the party says that you are OK with that. That being not quite as bad as the ohter guy is good enough. And if that's good enough, where is the incentive to do better? Fiscal conservatives continue to reward the GOP with our votes even though they have let us down time and time again.

    Man, Obama getting re-elected would really hurt. I mean really hurt. Thats a bold statement lol. I really wish Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio would have ran. I can't believe they didn't. Michelle Bachmann was the Tea Party candidate..........yeah.
    I ask again, has Obama really been that bad? Or I should rephrase that, has he been that much worse than McCain or Romney would've been? I disagree with him on a number of posititions, but many of those positions would've been taken up by the Republican candidates too. The Republican party has lost its way when it comes to small government fiscal conservatism. They managed to scare the base by labeling Obama as a big government liberal, while conviently ignoring the fact that they are the party of big government conservatives. Big government is big government, I don't care if it has a R or a D next to the name. The only way I see the GOP ever truly embracing fiscal conservatism in both talk AND practice is for fiscal conservatives to stand up and say "You can't take our votes for granted anymore. If you run big government candidates, we won't vote for them." And that will mean the Democrats will win a few elections, but if the end result is a Republican Party that is truly commited to fiscal conservatism, I'd say it was well worth it.
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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Those talking as if there wasn't opposition or issues with Bush while he was president are doing some revisionist history. There was displeasure with what Bush did, and it was outspoken. Were the great big loud protests? No. What there was however was complaint and discontent similar to what Liberals have done with Obama with regards to things like the Health Care bill and Gitmo. They voice their displeasure, they speak negatively abou tit, but they don't actively go out and protest and make a giant fuss about it because they understand that while they have issues...and they're going to fight for those issues and urge their guy to acknowledge them...they're goal is not to paint their guy as horrible but rathe rmisguided on a few things becuase taking him as a WHOLE he's better in their mind then the alternative.

    Those suggesting there was silence by conservative voices both in the media and on the ground over things Bush did such as No Child Left Behind, about TSA, about TARP, about his Immigration policy and other things are simply deluding themselves and participating in revisionist history. Was there a similar outcry as there has been under Obama? No. The same can be said for Democrats under Obama compared to Bush though. The same can be said about Republicans during Clinton, and Democrats under Reagan, and so on. It's the basis of human nature and with regards to how individuals and movements seek to do what's best for their particular issue.
    I understand the need and desire to want to take care of issues with your guy or your party quietly and in-house, but the question I have is was Bush really "our guy"? Did Bush do anything substantial that could be construed as fiscally conservative? Especially inthe first 6 years when him and the rest of the Republican party controlled both branches of Congress and the White House?

    And the larger question we should be looking at is this: Is the Republican Party still the party of fiscal conservatism? Do they actually practice it? I don't see it. So why should fiscal conservatives keep quiet and try to deal with their issues with the GOP quietly and in-house? It hasn't gotten us anywhere. We got a Republican controlled house that got elected on a fiscal conservative message and they haven't made one cut. Despite all the smoke and mirrors, despite all the boasting about "historic" cuts, the budget growing. The deficit keeps ballooning. Why should fiscal conservatives continue to identify with the Republican Party when they fail to do anything that resembles fiscal conservatism?
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    Re: Will the Tea Party movement remain relevant if the GOP wins the White House?

    Of course it won't. Even GOP Presidents can be big government spenders.


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