View Poll Results: How much do you allocate to the other person?

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  • None - I keep everything.

    11 22.00%
  • 10-20%

    10 20.00%
  • 20-40%

    5 10.00%
  • 50%

    20 40.00%
  • 50-70%

    0 0%
  • 70-90%

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  • Everything - I keep nothing.

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Thread: How generous are you? (Part I)

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    The most ethically 'optimal' decision (removing other complications) under most mainstream ethical systems (i.e. Virtue Ethics, Deontological Ethics, Consequentalist Ethics) would be to give the other man everything. On the other hand, 50% isn't unethical under most considerations.
    Then in this particular case, the Optimal Decision is a Stupid One.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    **** him, The Good Reverend keeps it all.
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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    I don't think the poll question is legitimate in that it has no relationship to actual reality or the real political or ethical principle.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    Even if I intended to give all of it to charity, why would I give anything to that guy?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    I'm sticking with 50% because it satisfies the unknown. Whether I, or the other person, was either rich or poor we would both be satisfied.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    We've got plenty, more would be just for show. I'll give him all then he can deal with the 'strings' attached.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Even if I intended to give all of it to charity, why would I give anything to that guy?
    Because it isn't your money to decide what to do with. You're only responsible for it.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Because it isn't your money to decide what to do with. You're only responsible for it.
    I've reread the OP a few times, and that doesn't seem to be the question.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    Brewster's Millions?

    First, I wouldn't touch the money if it didn't come from a clean source, I really don't need the money.

    Second, I wouldn't be able to keep all the money even if I wanted to nor could the other guy even if I gave it all to him, unless he is Uncle Sam already...
    Last edited by barbarian_style; 02-20-12 at 06:35 PM.

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    Re: How generous are you? (Part I)

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't think the poll question is legitimate in that it has no relationship to actual reality or the real political or ethical principle.
    Actually it is. It's called the Dictator Game and is a test of personal utility vs. altruism. It's been done in person in a lab setting many times.

    Interestingly, in all experiments involving this game, most of the participants in the dictator role end up alotting money to the other person instead of keeping it all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia: The Dictator Game
    This game has been used to test the homo economicus model of individual behavior: if individuals were only concerned with their own economic well being, proposers (acting as dictators) would allocate the entire good to themselves and give nothing to the responder. Experimental results have indicated that individuals often allocate money to the responders, reducing the amount of money they receive.[3] These results appear robust: for example, Henrich, et al. discovered in a wide cross cultural study that proposers do allocate a non-zero share of the endowment to the responder.[4]

    If these experiments appropriately reflect individuals' preferences outside of the laboratory, these results appear to demonstrate that either:

    1) Proposers fail to maximize their own expected utility,
    2) Proposers' utility functions may include non-tangible harms they incur (for example self-image or anticipated negative views of others in society), or
    3) Proposers' utility functions may include benefits received by others.

    Additional experiments have shown that subjects maintain a high degree of consistency across multiple versions of the dictator game in which the cost of giving varies.[5] This suggests that dictator game behavior is, in fact, altruism instead of the failure of optimizing behavior. Other experiments have shown a relationship between political participation and dictator game giving, suggesting that it may be an externally valid indicator of concern for the well-being of others
    It shows that humans have an altruistic core, even with others they don't know. While theorists offer explanations for why the dictator would not maximize their own alottment, it may also partially disprove the economic theory that all humans are purely self-interested actors. I wanted to see if the results would be similar with people at DP and they were. The overwhelming majority would give some portion of the money away instead of keeping it all - and more would give half than in any other category. The fact that people know practically nothing about the receiver does not change the outcome.

    Thanks everyone for participating.

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