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Thread: Racist, or just a joke?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    But then would it not open others to be able to slip in some so called fun racist humor now and again? As a company ESPN has to take a strong stand and in this case they did the right thing. That saying stand for something or fall for anything comes to mind. If you let one racist comment like this goes with just a warning and to not do it again? You set a bad example and risk the chance of folks thinking that they can "get away with it" at least once.

    They did the right thing and have no doubt they did it to cover their own ass over outrage. But at least they did do the right thing.
    I get the argument you're making about this setting precedent, but this is America... we have a collective attention span of a gnat.

    In other words, this will be long forgotten in a week.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Or they could have just used the expression and not think about the racial implications. It's easy to miss stuff like this if your not thinking about race IMO.
    This wasn't an accident. Those kinds of terms or phrase are never used for basketball. The one who wrote it might have done so for pure racist reasons, but I suspect they were trying to be cute and it not work out so well for them.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    If I was the dood, i'd laugh at that.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    As I said...I didn't see what the big hoopla was. Finally it dawned on me they were bitching about the chink word. In essence, I was not looking for something racial and never made the connection. I would have if they said "Gook in the armor".
    Gook usually refers to Vietnamese or Korean and chink is used for Chinese people.

    His family is from China.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Gook usually refers to Vietnamese or Korean and chink is used for Chinese people.

    His family is from China.
    My bad. Point is, Lin is not upset about it, so why is everyone else? Whomever has not watched the SNL skit I posted, please do. Very eye opening on how ludicrous this all is, in hindsight.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I get the argument you're making about this setting precedent, but this is America... we have a collective attention span of a gnat.

    In other words, this will be long forgotten in a week.
    I doubt it will be forgotten by Lin or the dumbass that got fired. But yeah I do see what you mean. I may have a short attention span but this will probably still be in my mind at least for a few months. And a couple of years from now if it comes up again? Hopefully if the booze and drugs do not rot my mind by then? I will remember it.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I doubt it will be forgotten by Lin or the dumbass that got fired. But yeah I do see what you mean. I may have a short attention span but this will probably still be in my mind at least for a few months. And a couple of years from now if it comes up again? Hopefully if the booze and drugs do not rot my mind by then? I will remember it.
    I think Lin will be fine. He makes several million dollars for playing basketball, for goodness sake. Don't feel too sorry for him.

    The bigger question is, what does this say about our society?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm just saying it's a hell of a curious choice for a headline. Is it possible it was a coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so. My guess is that it was a joke gone wrong.
    Here's my take SB. I am a broadcasting alum and worked in media, was fortunate to work with "the good ones" that is they knew what we did and where the line was, can't say that about all in the field. As a broadcasting student we also had to learn journalistic practices and techniques, proper reporting versus op-ed, etc.

    There are two things at play here:
    1) The media in general try to put on the most entertaining show possible but sometimes that means risking "the line" between what will get you an award and what will get you fired. Anyone who plays it too safe or too loose with that will end up unemployed.
    2) Many in the field of journalism aren't as smart as they think they are and tend to church up the presentation to show all of us on the consumption end that they are on a higher level. This fails for multiple reasons, including misusing phrases and words, incidents where the audience get bored of the drivel, and the granddaddy of them all is offending an audience whether intentionally or not. In fact, we were always taught in the program I was in to keep the discourse simple, the least advanced in the audience should enjoy it just as much as the most advanced.
    * The best example of a journalist outsmarting themself is that incident where the radio personality was speaking of Condolezza Rice's potential bid to be NFL commissioner when he said it would be a major "coup in" the leage but said it just a little too fast. The audience percieved a slur and basically it was game over for that guy.
    Had he kept it simple he still would have gotten the point across and wouldn't be percieved as "that idiot who blew his ride on the perception of a slur".

    It is plausible these guys let an off color joke slip through though, and the fact that they chose poorly negates whether or not they are innocent because in the media world perception is king.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What is the significance of the story? My posts in this thread have focused on the fact that the word has a racist/racialized history and that it isn't sensitive to think of that history when evaluating someone's use of it.
    Your response and others here surprise me. The question is should he have been fired. I say no.

    As for the why: Yes, the word "chink" and other words have a racist/racialized history. That is history the only way we let those words affect us the same way today is if we give them power over us. For example: gays took back the word "fag" by embracing it and now use it themselves in various ways.

    Other people find various ways to utilize words to give them different meanings. Example: The word "nigger" was given a "funeral" by the NAACP in 2007 NAACP buries the word nigger, entertainers resurrect it:: Black Press Magazine.com While the NAACP and other community leaders tries to bury the racist history of the word, others such as musicians and other artists have embraced the word and use it in a variety of ways. Example: the word "Bitch", generally seen as a derogatory term for women, feminists brought new meaning to it by starting "Bitch" magazine, and in the same way as gays did, women took back the power by referring to each other as "bitches" in endearing ways.

    I am not saying people should not feel something when these words are used, just remember they only have the meaning you allow them to. This employee may or may not have meant the word "chink" to be offensive, we will probably never know. As Enola pointed out, she didn't notice the racial undertones until it was mentioned, so why should anybody else?

    It all depends on the old journalistic rules: who, what, why, when, where and how.

    P.S.-- I see no one mentioned how "offensive" the term "Linderella" (referring to fairy tales and the Cinderella story--one of a girl forced into indentured servitude).

    I responded to ThePlayDrive's post not only because of your concerns about racism but also because you use potentially offensive language in your signature. "Yo mama" and other "yo" jokes, especially those insinuating something to fear, are considered highly offensive by some.
    Last edited by taxigirl; 02-21-12 at 05:07 AM.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    I don't like this. To those who are against the editor, could this whole issue be considered a fallacy of equivocation, or not? The editor probably meant chink as in armor; a metaphor regarding competitive sports. He may have meant the other meaning, but wouldn't that be speculation? If certain people are going to nail others based on what those certain people perceive, shouldn't that hold for all? I would hate to see some of these same people get defensive should the shoe be on the other foot.

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