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Thread: Racist, or just a joke?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    suspending or firing this guy, was the only thing ESPN could do.

    they have a public to keep happy, you know.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Yes, it is racist. But while we're on the subject......



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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Bigotry really comes through in the intention. I really doubt that ESPN's point was to deride Lin, or to make a derogatory statement about his race. Racism isn't just saying something about race, even if it's dumb and insensitive. If the joke were funnier, I'm pretty sure we'd be more willing to make exceptions, because then the intention would be more clear.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Lin also said he had no hard feelings over a corporate NBA partner website using an apparent ethnic slur in a headline early Saturday. He said he accepted the apology, and believed that there was no ill intent.
    Jeremy Lin asks that Taiwan media respect his family's privacy - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

    Nothing more to see here, folks. Move along.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, it is racist. But while we're on the subject......



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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    They, meaning those who saw it as racist.

    Someone once went to stay with another family. The person who visited was white. The family, black. During the visit, the black head of household continually berated whites for his failings in life and for slavery. Every day, every hour, this man would complain and when his friends came to visit during football games or for dinner, the subject always came around to whites and how evil they are agains blacks. The guest finally had enough. She said "I have been color blind for many many years. But thanks to you, I can now see color. It is not a blessing you have bestowed on me".
    What is the significance of the story? My posts in this thread have focused on the fact that the word has a racist/racialized history and that it isn't sensitive to think of that history when evaluating someone's use of it. If you are implying that my argument is akin to being a black person berating whites for failings and slavery, then I not only disagree, but I think that's beyond preposterous.

    Now, had I used my posts to express outrage and hurt while simultaneously accusing everyone who uses that word or does not denounce it as racist, then your story would be a fitting counter argument to what I would have written. However, if the mere acknowledgement of a racially charged word has come to be synonymous with the actions you describe, then I think the greater problem is some people think race and racism ought to be immune to discussion and they will try to force that immunity by claiming that anyone who discusses either is automatically antagonistic and unfair as is the person in your analogy. I hope that is not your intention. However, if it isn't, then why share the story?
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