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Thread: Racist, or just a joke?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Ignore, or are blind because they are not racist to begin with?
    Being a non-racist and being ignorant of racism and the history of racialized rhetoric are not mutually exclusive. In fact, there is considerable overlap.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Maybe it's just me. When I first heard of Lin, my initial mindset was "that is one tall dude".
    He is actually quite short for an NBA player. His listed height is 6'3" (which translates into a real height of perhaps 6'1"). Small for an NBA player, but big for a point guard.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Some were fired after that. The news guy suspended for 30 days.

    Myself, a chink in the armor to me meant a flaw in the armor of the opposing team. That the player happens to be asian and the term chink is a derogatory name is purely coincidence.
    Unless it was an intentional pun. But then again was it mean spitited or just a play on vocabulary's slang terms.

    Does it really matter? If so why? rhetorcially asked in today's political environment of starting emotional firestorms in an election cycle.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    I'm not much in to basketball. I only knew about this latest hoopla because it's all over my yahoo and aol front pages.

    I wonder if anyone would have had a fit if someone said Sulu had a chink in his armor during one of his and kirks adventures......


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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Ignore, or are blind because they are not racist to begin with?
    What do you mean "are blind because they are not racist to begin with"? Does "they" refer to the people or does "they" refer to words like "chink'?

    If it refers to people, then the implication is that in order to know the racialized/racist history of the word, you have be racist - that doesn't make sense and it isn't true. If it refers to the words, then the implication is that the word could not possibly have a racist/racialized history which is false so that also doesn't make sense.

    I think a better counterargument to the part of my post that you highlighted would be that the person using the word might not have known that the word had a racist/racialized history. That situation is possible. However, I've known about the word's history for a long time and I think most adults do so I consider that unlikely.

    Nonetheless, Cephus's post was made with the knowledge the term has such a racially charged history and yet with that knowledge, he was still willing to dismiss the belief that the term could have been used in a racist sense as mere sensitivity so my post still stands. Certain people know the history of a word and dismiss any argument that acknowledges that history which is illogical.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by OneMale View Post
    Unless it was an intentional pun. But then again was it mean spitited or just a play on vocabulary's slang terms.

    Does it really matter? If so why? rhetorcially asked in today's political environment of starting emotional firestorms in an election cycle.
    This has nothing to do with the election.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by OneMale View Post
    Unless it was an intentional pun. But then again was it mean spitited or just a play on vocabulary's slang terms.

    Does it really matter? If so why? rhetorcially asked in today's political environment of starting emotional firestorms in an election cycle.
    It matters if you're running a business and you want a non-racially insensitive work environment.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Now if there next headline is "That chink can play!"

    Then yeah it's probably racist
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What do you mean "are blind because they are not racist to begin with"? Does "they" refer to the people or does "they" refer to words like "chink'?

    If it refers to people, then the implication is that in order to know the racialized/racist history of the word, you have be racist - that doesn't make sense and it isn't true. If it refers to the words, then the implication is that the word could not possibly have a racist/racialized history which is false so that also doesn't make sense.

    I think a better counterargument to the part of my post that you highlighted would be that the person using the word might not have known that the word had a racist/racialized history. That situation is possible. However, I've known about the word's history for a long time and I think most adults do so I consider that unlikely.

    Nonetheless, Cephus's post was made with the knowledge the term has such a racially charged history and yet with that knowledge, he was still willing to dismiss the belief that the term could have been used in a racist sense as mere sensitivity so my post still stands. Certain people know the history of a word and dismiss any argument that acknowledges that history which is illogical.
    They, meaning those who saw it as racist.

    Someone once went to stay with another family. The person who visited was white. The family, black. During the visit, the black head of household continually berated whites for his failings in life and for slavery. Every day, every hour, this man would complain and when his friends came to visit during football games or for dinner, the subject always came around to whites and how evil they are agains blacks. The guest finally had enough. She said "I have been color blind for many many years. But thanks to you, I can now see color. It is not a blessing you have bestowed on me".

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I'm not much in to basketball. I only knew about this latest hoopla because it's all over my yahoo and aol front pages.

    I wonder if anyone would have had a fit if someone said Sulu had a chink in his armor during one of his and kirks adventures......


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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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