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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think when most people say "colorblind society" they mean that in terms of social acceptance.
    Ideally we should strive for a society that isn't "colorblind" per se, but where every race is treated equally by society. Idk how realistic that is though.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    People are way too sensitive. Everything isn't racist, in fact, very few things actually are. I'd like to smack people who scream racism at every turn with a shovel.
    I agree that it would be oversensitive to be outraged or hurt by this since it's relatively innocuous in terms of it's affect on people. However, 'chink' is a racially charged word used by racists. There's nothing sensitive about understanding that and thinking that it was used in a racist sense.

    With racism, there are two equally problematic groups in this country. First, the people who don't know what racism actually means and call any mention of race 'racist' - those who you complain about. Second, the people who willfully ignore the racialized/racist history of words and dismiss any mention of racism as sensitivity - that's you.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Or they could have just used the expression and not think about the racial implications. It's easy to miss stuff like this if your not thinking about race IMO.
    It's possible, but it'd be a hell of a coincidence in my opinion when there are tons of other potential headlines to choose from. This entire story Linderella story has been about Lin's race, it's hard to see how a writer could keep that out of his mind.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Ideally we should strive for a society that isn't "colorblind" per se, but where every race is treated equally by society. Idk how realistic that is though.
    That's more or less what I was getting at.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's possible, but it'd be a hell of a coincidence in my opinion when there are tons of other potential headlines to choose from. This entire story Linderella story has been about Lin's race, it's hard to see how a writer could keep that out of his mind.
    To be honest, I didn't know that "chink" was a racist term against asian people until like a year ago.

    Also the whole story hasn't been about his race, it's been more about his play, and the fact that he's with the Knicks who have sucked for years.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Dunno if that's ever possible. I don't know if a colorblind society is even desirable, as you'll probably necessarily be asking large portions of the population to give up a certain cultural identity.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    To be honest, I didn't know that "chink" was a racist term against asian people until like a year ago.

    Also the whole story hasn't been about his race, it's been more about his play, and the fact that he's with the Knicks who have sucked for years.
    I exaggerated a little, but my point remains that it's impossible to write about Jeremy Lin and not think about his race in the back of your mind. Same goes for guys like Tiger when he first started his career, and guys like Peyton Hillis.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree that it would be oversensitive to be outraged or hurt by this since it's relatively innocuous in terms of it's affect on people. However, 'chink' is a racially charged word used by racists. There's nothing sensitive about understanding that and thinking that it was used in a racist sense.

    With racism, there are two equally problematic groups in this country. First, the people who don't know what racism actually means and call any mention of race 'racist' - those who you complain about. Second, the people who willfully ignore the racialized/racist history of words and dismiss any mention of racism as sensitivity - that's you.
    Ignore, or are blind because they are not racist to begin with?

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Maybe it's just me. When I first heard of Lin, my initial mindset was "that is one tall dude".

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    It was a smart business decision to fire him, but that's because the population at large is hypersensitive. When are we going to around to becoming a colorblind society and thinking about race like we do eye color?
    I think the notion of "colorblindness" is a myth and even if it weren't, I don't think it would be a fun society. Differences between people whether in height, skin color or whatever else are interesting. The problem is when people attach meaning to those physical differences that are only imagined - like intelligence being connected to skin color.

    I suppose, however, that we will stop being so prejudiced as a society when people stop using terms like 'chink' which has a known racialized/racist history. And before someone says 'chink' is only bad because people are 'hypersensitive', let me say this. A huge part of human interaction that (responsible) parents teach their children or that everyone eventually figures out is the importance of word choice. Word choice is not important merely because some people are 'hypersensitive', it's important because words communicate ideas and when you chose words that communicate racially insensitive ideas, it's logical for people to have a problem with those words.

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