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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    With all of the safeguards I am sure the writer had to go through before putting their story online, I highly doubt that it was intentionally racist, or even a joke gone bad. These writers/editors/whomever who produce these articles that will be seen by the general public would know better than to even try to slip something like that in. But the issue here isn't whether it was racist or not, but really intent. If everyone involved intended it to be a racist comment, then it is. If they didn't intend for it to be racist, I would go with racially insensitive. It is real easy to judge someone, but without knowing intent, we expose our personal feelings and sensitivities to things such as racism. Just because I don't feel that this was meant to be racist, doesn't make me sympathetic to racist or racism, it just means I am giving the person the benefit of the doubt. I don't understand people who are so quick to call racism, and then doggedly defend their judgement, without knowing everything. Oh, it has to be racist, there is no other way to take it! Really?
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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Your response and others here surprise me. The question is should he have been fired. I say no.

    As for the why: Yes, the word "chink" and other words have a racist/racialized history. That is history the only way we let those words affect us the same way today is if we give them power over us. For example: gays took back the word "fag" by embracing it and now use it themselves in various ways.
    When I say "history" I'm not referring simply to the distant past. There are, in fact, racists TODAY who use words like 'chink' in racist manner. So to reiterate my original point, it's not sensitive to take that into account when determining whether or not it could be racist. This has nothing to do with "giving words power over us" or being "affected" by those words. It has to do with seeing a word and discerning the intent of the author who used it.

    Other people find various ways to utilize words to give them different meanings. Example: The word "nigger" was given a "funeral" by the NAACP in 2007 NAACP buries the word nigger, entertainers resurrect it:: Black Press Magazine.com While the NAACP and other community leaders tries to bury the racist history of the word, others such as musicians and other artists have embraced the word and use it in a variety of ways. Example: the word "Bitch", generally seen as a derogatory term for women, feminists brought new meaning to it by starting "Bitch" magazine, and in the same way as gays did, women took back the power by referring to each other as "bitches" in endearing ways.

    I am not saying people should not feel something when these words are used, just remember they only have the meaning you allow them to. This employee may or may not have meant the word "chink" to be offensive, we will probably never know. As Enola pointed out, she didn't notice the racial undertones until it was mentioned, so why should anybody else?

    It all depends on the old journalistic rules: who, what, why, when, where and how.
    I didn't say people should recognize racial undertones, I said that when people do recognize the racial undertones, they aren't automatically sensitive. That is fact. Recognizing reality does not make them sensitive, it makes them knowledgeable. Moreover, my comments had nothing to do with how people "feel" and they also had nothing to do with "meaning that we allow words to have". My comments were about the objective reality that the word "chink" has been and still is used by people in a racially charged or racist manner and that recognizing this does not make someone sensitive.

    P.S.-- I see no one mentioned how "offensive" the term "Linderella" (referring to fairy tales and the Cinderella story--one of a girl forced into indentured servitude).
    Why would anybody find that potentially offensive? Cinderella is not cited in American culture to refer to indentured servitude, it is cited to refer to "fairy tale" like stories.

    I responded to ThePlayDrive's post not only because of your concerns about racism but also because you use potentially offensive language in your signature. "Yo mama" and other "yo" jokes, especially those insinuating something to fear, are considered highly offensive by some.
    If somebody finds my signature offensive, then they are retarded.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I thought it was both racist and tasteless. If the story covered the feats of a black athlete, and said "XX spearchucks opposition's niggardly performance" I'd say the same thing. Someone obviously thought calling an Asian a "chink" was cute. I, however, did not.
    Yeah I know. Which is sad...it just ruins that common idiom of "Spearchucking the opposition". I know I've heard that used to describe doing better than a competitor all the time.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    What if people only think the editor said the Chinese man was a "chink."

    Is the phrase "chink in the armor" never to be used around Chinese people because obviously it only refers to them? It's not like there are any other meanings. Oh hell no.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'll put it this way. If it was unintentional and completely coincidental (which I highly doubt) then it's just funny.

    If it wasn't, then it is not racist per se, but it was racially insensitive joke.
    I find it being coincidental highly unlikely. I also think it being actually racist as also being highly unlikely. I'd say the most likely scenario was a racially insensitive joke that was stupidly hoping it would catch some attention due to the pun on a very comon idiom that has since blown up on his face.

    Next thing you're going to tell me is that the media is referring to an african american basketball player as a negro snake.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yeah I know. Which is sad...it just ruins that common idiom of "Spearchucking the opposition". I know I've heard that used to describe doing better than a competitor all the time.
    lol.........

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What if people only think the editor said the Chinese man was a "chink."

    Is the phrase "chink in the armor" never to be used around Chinese people because obviously it only refers to them? It's not like there are any other meanings. Oh hell no.
    the editor didn't say lin was a chink.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the editor didn't say lin was a chink.
    Oh, ok. A writer was accused.

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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    When I say "history" I'm not referring simply to the distant past. There are, in fact, racists TODAY who use words like 'chink' in racist manner. So to reiterate my original point, it's not sensitive to take that into account when determining whether or not it could be racist. This has nothing to do with "giving words power over us" or being "affected" by those words. It has to do with seeing a word and discerning the intent of the author who used it.


    I didn't say people should recognize racial undertones, I said that when people do recognize the racial undertones, they aren't automatically sensitive. That is fact. Recognizing reality does not make them sensitive, it makes them knowledgeable. Moreover, my comments had nothing to do with how people "feel" and they also had nothing to do with "meaning that we allow words to have". My comments were about the objective reality that the word "chink" has been and still is used by people in a racially charged or racist manner and that recognizing this does not make someone sensitive.


    Why would anybody find that potentially offensive? Cinderella is not cited in American culture to refer to indentured servitude, it is cited to refer to "fairy tale" like stories.


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    Re: Racist, or just a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Some were fired after that. The news guy suspended for 30 days.

    Myself, a chink in the armor to me meant a flaw in the armor of the opposing team. That the player happens to be asian and the term chink is a derogatory name is purely coincidence.
    Of course it is.

    By the way, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

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